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What's up with Italy? is it just a very old demographic? Do the young people move out of Italy and raise their kids in other countries? The death rate there is like 8 times most of the world, twice that of China and the total numbers now are greater than in China.


It is a combination of multiple things.

1) Italians live long. They have many elderly people
2) they give cheek kisses all the time
3) many “kids” in the 20s and 30s live with their parents - and have passed the virus on to their parents
4) family ties are strong and family dinners across generations are not uncommon.
5) northern part of Italy has a large population of Chinese workers due to the fashion industry. There are a lot of visitors between northern Italy and China.


even though this happend in the US - it is a good illustration why especially Italy is severely impacted

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/nyregion/new-jersey-family-coronavirus.html
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for. drchaos private msg quote post Address this user

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Over 44000 people were tested today. Per capita New York passed Washington in testing today.
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What's up with Italy? is it just a very old demographic? Do the young people move out of Italy and raise their kids in other countries? The death rate there is like 8 times most of the world, twice that of China and the total numbers now are greater than in China.


It is a combination of multiple things.

1) Italians live long. They have many elderly people
2) they give cheek kisses all the time
3) many “kids” in the 20s and 30s live with their parents - and have passed the virus on to their parents
4) family ties are strong and family dinners across generations are not uncommon.
5) northern part of Italy has a large population of Chinese workers due to the fashion industry. There are a lot of visitors between northern Italy and China.


even though this happend in the US - it is a good illustration why especially Italy is severely impacted

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/nyregion/new-jersey-family-coronavirus.html


I've been sharing this story to people who think churches should still be running like normal and that just refuse to social distance. Could you imagine having this linked back to you and you not taking the appropriate precautions?
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I call that religious irony. Even Jehovah witnesses worldwide have stopped going out in service. That should tell us all something.
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I call that religious irony. Even Jehovah witnesses worldwide have stopped going out in service. That should tell us all something.


Thank you for making my day.

I sincerely hate those folks imposing on my life.
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@etapi65 I’m confused. The linked story is about an effected family that had were infected at a family dinner on a Tuesday night. While I understand that most Churches have congregations of more than 10 people and it applies to them it seems like it has more to do with gatherings of more than 10 people than church services. I’ve heard more complaints from parents about their kid’s spring soccer season being cancelled than from any member of our church about Sunday services being curtailed.
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I'll probably wake up constipated. Pre_Coder private msg quote post Address this user
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@etapi65 I’m confused. The linked story is about an effected family that had were infected at a family dinner on a Tuesday night. While I understand that most Churches have congregations of more than 10 people and it applies to them it seems like it has more to do with gatherings of more than 10 people than church services. I’ve heard more complaints from parents about spring soccer season being cancelled than from any member of our church about Sunday services being curtailed.


And it's not even football season.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/have-many-coronavirus-patients-died-italy/


An adviser to Italy's minister of health, Professor Walter Ricciardi, said the coronavirus death rate in Italy may be higher than in other countries not only because of demographics but also because of the way Italy records deaths of those who have tested positive for the coronavirus.

The way in which Italy code deaths in their country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.”

"On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 percent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88 percent of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity - many had two or three," he said.
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I just wish I could go see a dentist right now. 😬


Me too. Had to get a root canal and a temporary crown. Now I'm just waiting for the permanent crown to be put on. Not fun!


I've had 2 roots done, and you're right it's not fun. That's why I opted for the gas both times. I'm a coward.



You can opt for gas?! They never told me that!

Actually I’ve had two roots and numerous crowns, they weren’t a walk in the park, but not as bad as Thought.

they want me to come in for another crown and a filling...that was a few weeks ago....I never followed up, and I also cancelled my physical therapy appointments for my Achilles rupture post op...but I’m back to walking and starting to jog again so I figure I can do without that...
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I feel ripped off, they never offered me gas. They just jammed the needle in my jaw a couple of times to numb things up and did their thing.


They actually had to stick the nerve and numb it for me one time, right down the center inside the exposed tooth...that was weird.
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I'll probably wake up constipated. Pre_Coder private msg quote post Address this user
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I just wish I could go see a dentist right now. 😬


Me too. Had to get a root canal and a temporary crown. Now I'm just waiting for the permanent crown to be put on. Not fun!


I've had 2 roots done, and you're right it's not fun. That's why I opted for the gas both times. I'm a coward.



You can opt for gas?! They never told me that!


Yes, and it's worth it! But my insurance wouldn't pay... it was either cash or check.
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Masculinity takes a holiday. EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user
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I call that religious irony. Even Jehovah witnesses worldwide have stopped going out in service. That should tell us all something.


Thank you for making my day.

I sincerely hate those folks imposing on my life.


Next time you see a Jehovah Witness you will not hate them. You will be like "the Jehovah Witnesses are back...that must mean all is right with the world again!"
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I used a whole can of Lysol yesterday at work. I sprayed everything down multiple times. I don't know if I was doing any good, but it helped ease my stress a little.
been doing the same thing, and it does make you feel better....
As for myself, I've found that blocking idiots who park illegally in handicapped spaces with shopping carts and bungie cords eases my stress quite a bit. :-)
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I call that religious irony. Even Jehovah witnesses worldwide have stopped going out in service. That should tell us all something.
I've kept the JWs away from my house ever since I opened the door and greeted them while nude. I was charged with assault with a dead weapon but my lawyer got it down to attempted assault with a friendly weapon.
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I have a problem with fattening women up. Bronte private msg quote post Address this user
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I call that religious irony. Even Jehovah witnesses worldwide have stopped going out in service. That should tell us all something.


Thank you for making my day.

I sincerely hate those folks imposing on my life.


Next time you see a Jehovah Witness you will not hate them. You will be like "the Jehovah Witnesses are back...that must mean all is right with the world again!"


Sorry. I am not enlightened enough to see past their annoyance.

While I wish them no harm, I despise people who push their views on others. Having a passive personality, those people sense that and they swarm on me even in places that arent my home. Dr. Offices. Parking lots. Etc....

I once considered making pamphlets to hand to them, on topics of blood transfusions and the lottery of heaven they lose out on if they convert others. However, I decided that might prolong a conversation....
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A “cover swipe” of @sborock

NO MORE RELIGION!

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Masculinity takes a holiday. EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user
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and Your patting these dip shit haters on the back for making a statement like that?

No

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"Really Good People"? Your Kidding right?

Yes. I'm pointing out the Irony in how society conditions us to view them...and what really lies in their hearts.
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if you want to see how it looks like in a very modern hospital in Italy - pls see this video

warning - contain images of real life and death

https://youtu.be/_J60fQr0GWo
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This is amazing. The difference bending the curve makes.


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I ordered a coronavirus mask off Facebook, but I think I misunderstood the ad.

The hat is nice, though.


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This is amazing. The difference bending the curve makes.




Even though I admit being skeptical on flattening the curve But it appears to work
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The base I work at just had its first confirmed case.
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@Studley_Dudley since you are working at Wright-Patterson, have you been able to get into Hangar 18???
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How to properly handle Amazon boxes and orders during the coronavirus pandemic
BY JAMES GELINAS, KOMANDO.COM MARCH 18, 2020 clickable text




As quarantine and “shelter-in-place” orders become more commonplace, Americans will be relying on delivery services more than ever before. Sure, grocery stores and pharmacies are planning to stay open, but ordering supplies online is still the best way to avoid exposure to COVID-19.

But a new study released by the National Institutes of Health shows online orders aren’t 100% risk-free. The coronavirus is capable of sticking to surfaces for up to three days, which makes disinfecting extremely important. Tap or click to see the best disinfectants you can use.

If you’re planning on ordering online from shipping services like Amazon, here’s what you need to know about handling your packages, cleaning them and making sure they’re safe enough to bring into your home.

What’s going on?

The National Institutes of Health reports the SARS-COV2 virus that causes COVID-19 is capable of clinging to surfaces for a longer period of time than originally thought. The virus can be found in aerosol particles for up to three hours, can cling to cardboard for up to 24 hours and can stick to plastic and stainless steel for up to three days.

Previously, researchers assumed respiratory droplets were the primary vector of infection. But this new knowledge, as well as the fact that infected people can display no symptoms at all, shows there is so much more we can do to protect ourselves and our loved ones.

It also presents a new set of challenges for one of the most important services we’ve come to rely on: delivery. Luckily, there are steps you can take to make sure the packages you receive are safe enough to bring indoors. Tap or click to see some of the coronavirus-killing items you can order online.
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Get serious about sanitizing

If you order a package from Amazon or another shipping service, the first thing you should do is make sure the delivery person leaves it at your doorstep or in a package locker (if your community has one). This reduces face-to-face interaction, which is key in our widespread social distancing effort to flatten the curve of infection.

When ordering from Amazon, you can leave special delivery instructions during checkout. On either the Select a shipping address or Review your order page, choose Add delivery instructions and simply say you want your package in the mailbox, on your doorstep or some other specific location.

Once 3 hours have passed, you’ve reduced the chance of contacting any aerosol particles from the delivery person.

Second, you’ll want to assess what kind of package you’re dealing with. If you receive a cardboard box, you should handle it with gloves (if possible) and place it in a safe, secure outdoor location — like a backyard, patio or balcony — for 24 hours. If it’s a plastic package or bag, you’ll want to leave it in your secure location for up to three days.

No time to waste

Not everyone can afford to wait a few days for supplies. Some items, like grocery deliveries, must be opened right away. This is where you need to proceed with caution. If you treat your package carefully, you can open it safely. Here’s how:

For perishable items, put them directly in your refrigerator and avoid tables and countertops. Use gloves to handle the bag if possible and avoid hugging it close to your body when moving it. Any outer packaging should be removed and thrown directly into the trash before storing the item in your fridge.

Once you’re finished, avoid touching or interacting with family members and wash your hands thoroughly with soap and warm-to-hot water for 20 seconds. This will kill any traces of virus left on your hands. Tap or click to see some of the other things you should sanitize aside from your hands.

If you’re ordering a takeout meal, leave instructions for the delivery person to leave your food outside your door. Once they’re gone, open the bag and empty the contents into your own bowls or plates. Then throw the gloves and containers away and wash your hands with soap and warm water for at least 20 seconds.

The food should be fine to consume this way and you won’t have to worry about anyone picking up germs from the bag or containers.

These steps may seem extreme, but following these guidelines is a surefire way to stifle infection. We need to be vigilant in preventing the transmission of the virus, and the more people who put the effort into doing so, the safer the general population will be from disease.

Just like during the World wars, this is a time where every American has a duty to help themselves and their neighbors. Only this time, we’re not filing into factories and laboring to make shells. All we need to do is stay clean and remain indoors. That’s not too difficult, right?
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Clean & Disinfect
Interim Recommendations for US Households with Suspected/Confirmed Coronavirus Disease 2019


Background
There is much to learn about the novel coronavirus that causes coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). Based on what is currently known about the novel coronavirus and similar coronaviruses that cause SARS and MERS, spread from person-to-person with these viruses happens most frequently among close contacts (within about 6 feet). This type of transmission occurs via respiratory droplets. On the other hand, transmission of novel coronavirus to persons from surfaces contaminated with the virus has not been documented. Transmission of coronavirus occurs much more commonly through respiratory droplets than through fomites. Current evidence suggests that novel coronavirus may remain viable for hours to days on surfaces made from a variety of materials. Cleaning of visibly dirty surfaces followed by disinfection is a best practice measure for prevention of COVID-19 and other viral respiratory illnesses in households and community settings.

Purpose
This guidance provides recommendations on the cleaning and disinfection of households where persons under investigation (PUI) or those with confirmed COVID-19 reside or may be in self-isolation. It is aimed at limiting the survival of the virus in the environments. These recommendations will be updated if additional information becomes available.

These guidelines are focused on household settings and are meant for the general public.

•Cleaning refers to the removal of germs, dirt, and impurities from surfaces. Cleaning does not kill germs, but by removing them, it lowers their numbers and the risk of spreading infection.

•Disinfecting refers to using chemicals to kill germs on surfaces. This process does not necessarily clean dirty surfaces or remove germs, but by killing germs on a surface after cleaning, it can further lower the risk of spreading infection.

General Recommendations for Routine Cleaning and Disinfection of Households
Community members can practice routine cleaning of frequently touched surfaces (for example: tables, doorknobs, light switches, handles, desks, toilets, faucets, sinks) with household cleaners and EPA-registered disinfectants that are appropriate for the surface, following label instructions. Labels contain instructions for safe and effective use of the cleaning product including precautions you should take when applying the product, such as wearing gloves and making sure you have good ventilation during use of the product.

General Recommendations for Cleaning and Disinfection of Households with People Isolated in Home Care (e.g. Suspected/Confirmed to have COVID-19)
Household members should educate themselves about COVID-19 symptoms and preventing the spread of COVID-19 in homes.
Clean and disinfect high-touch surfaces daily in household common areas (e.g. tables, hard-backed chairs, doorknobs, light switches, remotes, handles, desks, toilets, sinks)
In the bedroom/bathroom dedicated for an ill person: consider reducing cleaning frequency to as-needed (e.g., soiled items and surfaces) to avoid unnecessary contact with the ill person.
•As much as possible, an ill person should stay in a specific room and away from other people in their home, following home care guidance.

•The caregiver can provide personal cleaning supplies for an ill person’s room and bathroom, unless the room is occupied by child or another person for whom such supplies would not be appropriate. These supplies include tissues, paper towels, cleaners and EPA-registered disinfectants.

•If a separate bathroom is not available, the bathroom should be cleaned and disinfected after each use by an ill person. If this is not possible, the caregiver should wait as long as practical after use by an ill person to clean and disinfect the high-touch surfaces.

•Household members should follow home care guidance when interacting with persons with suspected/confirmed COVID-19 and their isolation rooms/bathrooms.

How to clean and disinfect:
Surfaces


•Wear disposable gloves when cleaning and disinfecting surfaces. Gloves should be discarded after each cleaning. If reusable gloves are used, those gloves should be dedicated for cleaning and disinfection of surfaces for COVID-19 and should not be used for other purposes. Consult the manufacturer’s instructions for cleaning and disinfection products used. Clean hands immediately after gloves are removed.

•If surfaces are dirty, they should be cleaned using a detergent or soap and water prior to disinfection.

•For disinfection, diluted household bleach solutions, alcohol solutions with at least 70% alcohol, and most common EPA-registered household disinfectants should be effective.
•Diluted household bleach solutions can be used if appropriate for the surface. Follow manufacturer’s instructions for application and proper ventilation. Check to ensure the product is not past its expiration date. Never mix household bleach with ammonia or any other cleanser. Unexpired household bleach will be effective against coronaviruses when properly diluted.

•Prepare a bleach solution by mixing:
5 tablespoons (1/3rd cup) bleach per gallon of water or
4 teaspoons bleach per quart of water

•Products with EPA-approved emerging viral pathogens claimspdf iconexternal icon are expected to be effective against COVID-19 based on data for harder to kill viruses. Follow the manufacturer’s instructions for all cleaning and disinfection products (e.g., concentration, application method and contact time, etc.).

•For soft (porous) surfaces such as carpeted floor, rugs, and drapes, remove visible contamination if present and clean with appropriate cleaners indicated for use on these surfaces. After cleaning:
Launder items as appropriate in accordance with the manufacturer’s instructions. If possible, launder items using the warmest appropriate water setting for the items and dry items completely, or
Use products with the EPA-approved emerging viral pathogens claims (examples at this linkpdf iconexternal icon) that are suitable for porous surfaces.

Clothing, towels, linens and other items that go in the laundry

•Wear disposable gloves when handling dirty laundry from an ill person and then discard after each use. If using reusable gloves, those gloves should be dedicated for cleaning and disinfection of surfaces for COVID-19 and should not be used for other household purposes. Clean hands immediately after gloves are removed.
If no gloves are used when handling dirty laundry, be sure to wash hands afterwards.
If possible, do not shake dirty laundry. This will minimize the possibility of dispersing virus through the air.
Launder items as appropriate in accordance with the manufacturer’s instructions. If possible, launder items using the warmest appropriate water setting for the items and dry items completely. Dirty laundry from an ill person can be washed with other people’s items.
Clean and disinfect clothes hampers according to guidance above for surfaces. If possible, consider placing a bag liner that is either disposable (can be thrown away) or can be laundered.

Hand hygiene and other preventive measures
Household members should clean hands often, including immediately after removing gloves and after contact with an ill person, by washing hands with soap and water for 20 seconds. If soap and water are not available and hands are not visibly dirty, an alcohol-based hand sanitizer that contains at least 60% alcohol may be used. However, if hands are visibly dirty, always wash hands with soap and water.

Household members should follow normal preventive actions while at work and home including recommended hand hygiene and avoiding touching eyes, nose, or mouth with unwashed hands.
Additional key times to clean hands include:
After blowing one’s nose, coughing, or sneezing
After using the restroom
Before eating or preparing food
After contact with animals or pets
Before and after providing routine care for another person who needs assistance (e.g. a child)

Other considerations
The ill person should eat/be fed in their room if possible. Non-disposable food service items used should be handled with gloves and washed with hot water or in a dishwasher. Clean hands after handling used food service items.

If possible, dedicate a lined trash can for the ill person. Use gloves when removing garbage bags, handling, and disposing of trash. Wash hands after handling or disposing of trash.

Consider consulting with your local health department about trash disposal guidance if available.
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@Jesse_O it's going to be harder to see it now that OH went full lockdown.
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Sigh...
Stimulus bill preliminary vote WAS for 3pm today. Pushed to 6pm.

They say if they cant find common ground, stock markets are going to get even worse...
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