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Italy now has more total deaths than China.


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So,

China’s death to recovery ratio is 5% while the rest of the world is 23%.

I suspect this might be because they have more capability with testing and been more proactive getting testing out there, but that difference right now is sobering.

Italy....75%.
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Yup, I agree. Just as the # for the US will most likely spike as the results from the newly distributed kits get utilized.


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Fox is now live with Trump and Pence talking with Governors about Covid-19.
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So,

China’s death to recovery ratio is 5% while the rest of the world is 23%.

I suspect this might be because they have more capability with testing and been more proactive getting testing out there, but that difference right now is sobering.

Italy....75%.

Can any data from the Chinese government really be trusted?
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There is supposed to be a cure from Covid with a very common medication (hydroxychloroquine). We will see.

Hydroxychloroquine (brand name Plaquenil) is an inexpensive, globally available drug (tablet) that was approved for widespread medical use since 1955. It is commonly used today to treat malaria, systemic lupus erythematosus and rheumatoid arthritis.



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The Prez is talking about this again, sounds promising.
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Holy crap...500 more reported deaths in Italy?. I swear it was around 2900 this morning. I was hoping they peaked on Monday.
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@etapi65 Nevermind, I was thinking new cases, not deaths.
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1000 US cases in 1 hour
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Take this with a grain of salt. I haven't checked every detail of this out, but from what I can tell it is accurate. I think this really brings home the point of why a person should be concerned about getting covid-19. This was posted by a friend of mine on Facebook.

"This is one of the best explanations of why COVID-19 happened: Feeling confused as to why Coronavirus is a bigger deal than Seasonal flu? Here it is in a nutshell. I hope this helps. Feel free to share this to others who don’t understand...
It has to do with RNA sequencing.... I.e. genetics.
Seasonal flu is an “all human virus”. The DNA/RNA chains that make up the virus are recognized by the human immune system. This means that your body has some immunity to it before it comes around each year... you get immunity two ways...through exposure to a virus, or by getting a flu shot.

Novel viruses, come from animals.... the WHO tracks novel viruses in animals, (sometimes for years watching for mutations). Usually these viruses only transfer from animal to animal (pigs in the case of H1N1) (birds in the case of the Spanish flu). But once, one of these animal viruses mutates, and starts to transfer from animals to humans... then it’s a problem, Why? Because we have no natural or acquired immunity.. the RNA sequencing of the genes inside the virus isn’t human, and the human immune system doesn’t recognize it so, we can’t fight it off.

Now.... sometimes, the mutation only allows transfer from animal to human, for years it’s only transmission is from an infected animal to a human before it finally mutates so that it can now transfer human to human... once that happens..we have a new contagion phase. And depending on the fashion of this new mutation, thats what decides how contagious, or how deadly it’s gonna be..

H1N1 was deadly....but it did not mutate in a way that was as deadly as the Spanish flu. It’s RNA was slower to mutate and it attacked its host differently, too.

Fast forward.

Now, here comes this Coronavirus... it existed in animals only, for nobody knows how long...but one day, at an animal market, in Wuhan China, in December 2019, it mutated and made the jump from animal to people. At first, only animals could give it to a person... But here is the scary part.... in just TWO WEEKS it mutated again and gained the ability to jump from human to human. Scientists call this quick ability, “slippery”

This Coronavirus, not being in any form a “human” virus (whereas we would all have some natural or acquired immunity). Took off like a rocket. And this was because, Humans have no known immunity...doctors have no known medicines for it.

And it just so happens that this particular mutated animal virus, changed itself in such a way the way that it causes great damage to human lungs..

That’s why Coronavirus is different from seasonal flu, or H1N1 or any other type of influenza.... this one is slippery AF. And it’s a lung eater...And, it’s already mutated AGAIN, so that we now have two strains to deal with, strain s, and strain L....which makes it twice as hard to develop a vaccine. Scientist's debate this on both sides...

We really have no tools in our shed, with this. History has shown that fast and immediate closings of public places has helped in the past pandemics.

Philadelphia and Baltimore were reluctant to close events in 1918 and they were the hardest hit in the US during the Spanish Flu.

And let me end by saying....right now it’s hitting older folks harder... but this genome is so slippery...if it mutates again (and it will). Who is to say, what it will do next.

Be smart folks... acting like you’re unafraid is so not smart.

#flattenthecurve. Stay home folks... and share this !"
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6000 new cases in the US in the past hour

(could be from new test kits)



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My son had to fly from Seattle back home to Milwaukee. Yesterday’s flights were all cancelled to reclean the planes, smells heavily like oranges. Way fewer flights, pretty empty planes.
Too bad he could not stay here, but he needs to keep his personal economy going somewhat, and he has a number of employees relying on him. Feels like the economy is on a knife edge now
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(could be from new test kits)




likely
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6000 new cases in the US in the past hour

(could be from new test kits)





When does everyone think we’ll hit a million?
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Take this with a grain of salt. I haven't checked every detail of this out, but from what I can tell it is accurate. I think this really brings home the point of why a person should be concerned about getting covid-19. This was posted by a friend of mine on Facebook.

"This is one of the best explanations of why COVID-19 happened: Feeling confused as to why Coronavirus is a bigger deal than Seasonal flu? Here it is in a nutshell. I hope this helps. Feel free to share this to others who don’t understand...
It has to do with RNA sequencing.... I.e. genetics.
Seasonal flu is an “all human virus”. The DNA/RNA chains that make up the virus are recognized by the human immune system. This means that your body has some immunity to it before it comes around each year... you get immunity two ways...through exposure to a virus, or by getting a flu shot.

Novel viruses, come from animals.... the WHO tracks novel viruses in animals, (sometimes for years watching for mutations). Usually these viruses only transfer from animal to animal (pigs in the case of H1N1) (birds in the case of the Spanish flu). But once, one of these animal viruses mutates, and starts to transfer from animals to humans... then it’s a problem, Why? Because we have no natural or acquired immunity.. the RNA sequencing of the genes inside the virus isn’t human, and the human immune system doesn’t recognize it so, we can’t fight it off.

Now.... sometimes, the mutation only allows transfer from animal to human, for years it’s only transmission is from an infected animal to a human before it finally mutates so that it can now transfer human to human... once that happens..we have a new contagion phase. And depending on the fashion of this new mutation, thats what decides how contagious, or how deadly it’s gonna be..

H1N1 was deadly....but it did not mutate in a way that was as deadly as the Spanish flu. It’s RNA was slower to mutate and it attacked its host differently, too.

Fast forward.

Now, here comes this Coronavirus... it existed in animals only, for nobody knows how long...but one day, at an animal market, in Wuhan China, in December 2019, it mutated and made the jump from animal to people. At first, only animals could give it to a person... But here is the scary part.... in just TWO WEEKS it mutated again and gained the ability to jump from human to human. Scientists call this quick ability, “slippery”

This Coronavirus, not being in any form a “human” virus (whereas we would all have some natural or acquired immunity). Took off like a rocket. And this was because, Humans have no known immunity...doctors have no known medicines for it.

And it just so happens that this particular mutated animal virus, changed itself in such a way the way that it causes great damage to human lungs..

That’s why Coronavirus is different from seasonal flu, or H1N1 or any other type of influenza.... this one is slippery AF. And it’s a lung eater...And, it’s already mutated AGAIN, so that we now have two strains to deal with, strain s, and strain L....which makes it twice as hard to develop a vaccine. Scientist's debate this on both sides...

We really have no tools in our shed, with this. History has shown that fast and immediate closings of public places has helped in the past pandemics.

Philadelphia and Baltimore were reluctant to close events in 1918 and they were the hardest hit in the US during the Spanish Flu.

And let me end by saying....right now it’s hitting older folks harder... but this genome is so slippery...if it mutates again (and it will). Who is to say, what it will do next.

Be smart folks... acting like you’re unafraid is so not smart.

#flattenthecurve. Stay home folks... and share this !"
this is a simplified version that is stated in basic terms for people who aren't familiar with terms like zoonosis, but it is accurately stated
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Are they just being smart/proactive....or hiding something...

No Cases, but they need a hospital now.
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6000 new cases in the US in the past hour

(could be from new test kits)





When does everyone think we’ll hit a million?
at the current rate, of expansion and new testing, it is my guess we will hit that million mark within 21 days
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Collector Drogio private msg quote post Address this user
check this out.

Again....can’t just rely on sanitizer.
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I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life. kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user
btw check ebay prices it's the worst time to sell comics imo but it's a sweet buyers market if you're looking to upgrade your Hulk 181s.
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@Jesse_O

I’ve also heard that it is moving fast because asymptomatic people are inadvertently spreading it.
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Just like the head coach is held accountable for his/her team’s conduct, or a commanding officer is accountable for his/her crew’s conduct, the President of The United States accountable and therefor responsible for the decisions made at his/her level or beneath him/her he can influence. It’s part of the job. It’s why we, the people of the United States of America, hires him/her (whether you voted for him or not). Any leader who does not accept this is not a true leader.

I leave you with one of my all time favorite quotes, from a Mr. Hyman G. Rickover:

“Responsibility is a unique concept... You may share it with others, but your portion is not diminished. You may delegate it, but it is still with you... If responsibility is rightfully yours, no evasion, or ignorance or passing the blame can shift the burden to someone else.“


I don't disagree, but saying it's all Trump's fault is different than just realizing the role a leader has in effectiveness of response. This is arguabley not what you want from the "Leader of the Free world"
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Just to reinforce, they had modeled this entire thing a year ago and knew they weren't ready and it could prove disastrous...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/coronavirus-outbreak-a-cascade-of-warnings-heard-but-unheeded/ar-BB11pYY1?ocid=spartanntp
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I've been refreshing the world counter, every hour, because I am obsessed over it... https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

I am finding:

30 deaths worldwide per hour, increasing slowly
1000 cases worldwide per hour, increasing slowly
30 recoveries worldwide per hour, decreasing slowly

It's not so much the numbers each day that matter. What matters is the exponential growth. Even though everyone knows it is exponential, and has seen those representative curves, what really brings it home is to track it for a few days as compared to exponential projections.

For example, current estimates in the US is that the number of known infected is doubling every three days. After 15 days that is five doublings ... or 2^5 = 32 times what it is today. And 30 days is ten doublings ... or 2^10 = 1024 times what it is today. That extra 15 day period makes a big difference.

A couple days ago I posted on Facebook what two different websites had for infected in the US between 9:00 pm and 9:30 pm. I checked again yesterday at the same time. Here's what I posted:

Johns Hopkins University: 6362
Worldometer: 6468

And yesterday (9.30 pm):
Johns Hopkins University: 7786
Worldometer: 9301

I trust Johns Hopkins more than "Worldometer," but the latter seems to be updated more often. Indeed, later last night J.H. was updated again to be closer to Worldometer.

The hypothesis was: by Friday night it will be close to 13,000 (i.e., 6500 x 2, or one doubling). And thus 100,000 or so by April 1st, which is 15 days total. Further, April 16th (another 15 days, or 33 days from when I started keeping track) is projected to be close to 13,000,000 cases in the US, unless we bend the curve. (Or nature bends it for us.)

It's not 9:00 pm yet, but the numbers are already past what we projected for Friday night. I'm hoping that is due to more widespread testing. Though as far as I know the heavy CDC restrictions are still in force.

Johns Hopkins University: 13,159
Worldometer: 13,737
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btw check ebay prices it's the worst time to sell comics imo but it's a sweet buyers market if you're looking to upgrade your Hulk 181s.


I am seeing the opposite. Some comics that have sat for months are moving for me now. I was actually thinking of cutting back so I don’t have to go to the post office...
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It's not 9:00 pm yet, but the numbers are already past what we projected for Friday night. I'm hoping that is due to more widespread testing.


Some of it is testing, but we’re also not 14 days into this massive shutdown yet...so a lot of these numbers are infections that likely occurred before everyone was told to get away from each other...hopefully the curve will begin to bend in the next week or so...
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I hadn't sold anything since October. Sold two in the past 2 weeks.
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We should have the forum rate our packages. HeinzDad private msg quote post Address this user
I’ve been wanting a swamp thing 37 for a couple years. Low and behold there are two in town now. I’ll be buying one of them in the next week or two.
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I think if the government does release the suggested checks they are debating, you are likely to see some traffic for books priced in the 1-2 k range
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I think if the government does release the suggested checks they are debating, you are likely to see some traffic for books priced in the 1-2 k range

I hope you are right. I have some big books in the April Prime Auction coming up.
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We should have the forum rate our packages. HeinzDad private msg quote post Address this user
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I think if the government does release the suggested checks they are debating, you are likely to see some traffic for books priced in the 1-2 k range
my thoughts exactly. It would be good to save that but it’s also important to keep businesses going.
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What's up with Italy? is it just a very old demographic? Do the young people move out of Italy and raise their kids in other countries? The death rate there is like 8 times most of the world, twice that of China and the total numbers now are greater than in China.
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