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Originally Posted by moodswing
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Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck
@Jesse_O

If I was in charge of the CBCS marketing department, I would capitalize on this by releasing a short video of a CBCS grader handling a Golden age key with extreme care during the grading process.

This is the kind of thing CBCS should be doing immediately to set themselves apart from Cgc. Perfect opportunity to snatch some of that market share. Quick video of a comic being graded would be the smart thing to do.

Originally Posted by robertofredrico
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Originally Posted by Jesse_O
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Originally Posted by robertofredrico
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Originally Posted by Jesse_O
With all the outrage over this video, I can't help but wonder if it will help CBCS get more submissions. It could be a busy con season for CBCS!

I don't know. Do you think submissions dropped for CBCS when they posted that video of Ricketts spinning the Avengers #4 on that table?

I think the video hurt pressing submissions for a minute or two. But that was a Silver Age book and even though he spun it, he didn't man handle it like in the CGC video.

I mean people are downright pissed about this. Look at the comments on ig or facebook. The Facebook post has 758 comments and 322 shares. And from what I have seen, those shares are not praising them for doing a great job. The ig video has 6,730 views and 284 comments. I've heard people saying that enough is enough. And they are not helping themselves by leaving these videos up.

But the thing is, the people who seem to be complaining seem to be type of people who elsewhere are arguing about what Punchline’s first appearance is.

Experienced comic dealers of Golden Age books like Love Anna, Roy Delic and others have come on and said that there was nothing wrong with the way the grader in the video handled the book. That nothing he did caused any damage to the book. It’s just an experienced professional who can do his job quickly after doing it for decades. I assume that’s why CGC has left the video up.

On the other hand, the video that CBCS posted of Ricketts with that Avengers #4 did possibly cause damage by leaving abrasions or scratches on the back cover. That’s why I assume in that instance, they did remove any trace of that video.

So I guess it comes down to if you want to pander to (excuse the term) fanboys who think they know everything about grading and handling books, but actually don’t, of if you let things stand and hope that these posters possibly learn how things actually work.

Originally Posted by Tedsaid
Matt seems to be a nice guy sometimes, and sometimes he can be a real pain.

I emailed him once because there was this post in a facebook group, a guy was complaining about CGC. What had happened was, he send a cracked slab to be reholdered. The crack was aesthetic, not causing any damage. But when they cracked it out, they decided it was no longer a 9.8. So they emailed him and said he'd have to get it pressed to have any chance of "maintaining the same grade."

Long story short, he did that because they gave him no choice, and it came back a 9.6, and he was pissed that they even graded it in the first place, instead of just replacing the holder.

Which shocked me. I just think that's fundamentally wrong, to act like they can change the grade after the fact like that. It isn't their book ... he already paid for the grade, and the most MOST they should do is say, we can't put it in a new holder, because we no longer believe it is that grade, so we'll have to send it back to you like this. Or, if you want, we can press and re-grade it.

So, I emailed Matt, because I had been about to send in 8-10 slabs for review, some with really wrong-seeming grades. Three of those I was going to send in as examples, not to be re-evaluated, but rather to give evidence to my point (at that time), that their grading standards had clearly changed in the previous year. At that time, a lot of people online had noted this change, and I did as well, with 9.6 grades suddenly getting a 9.2 or 9.0; and 9.8's getting 9.6 or 9.4. So the idea was, I'll show three 9.0+ examples I got back in January, so he can see that the new grades are clearly, and consistently, different.

But I sure didn't want Matt to downgrade those samples! One was a 9.8 from 1980. A forty year old book, a lot of times a 9.8 grade depends on the approach, or even the mood, of the particular grader. Anyone could justify changing it to a 9.6 if they wanted to. So I asked: does CGC ever actually do this?? Downgrade a comic that was only sent in for a new holder?

Anyway, I never got a straight answer. He was all over the place, trying not to say definitively that it could happen. The best I got was, "If your books and holders are free of damage, then I wouldn't worry." Of course, ANY defect could be used to downgrade a book, and then all they'd have to say is, "Well, it must have been damaged after the original grade."

I don't know what people here think, but it would totally piss me off if a reholder became anything other than a reholder. They graded it once, and they sure as shit don't have the right to change that grade after the fact, no matter what happened in the meantime.

Originally Posted by DrWatson
The last thing I handled that roughly resulted in charges being filed.

Originally Posted by CFP_Comics
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Originally Posted by DrWatson
The last thing I handled that roughly resulted in charges being filed.

Did you file charges against yourself?

Originally Posted by DrWatson
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Originally Posted by CFP_Comics
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Originally Posted by DrWatson
The last thing I handled that roughly resulted in charges being filed.

Did you file charges against yourself?

I've seen you in your underwear and this is the thanks I get?