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Which of these Minor Firsts do you like for value increase in next 2 years?11237

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Going back a few years I've dabbled in these minor First Appearances. Do you think any of them will increase in value over the next two years? If so, which do you like best for percentage increase?

Abigail Arcane Swamp Thing #3
Antone Arcane Swamp Thing #2
Echo Daredevil Volume 2 #9
Ronin New Avengers #13
Hawkeye as Ronin New Avengers #27
Kyle Rayner Green Lantern V2 #48
Multiple Man Fantastic Four GS #4
Gambit X-men Annual #14 (unrecognized by market)
Boba Fett, Yoda Marvel Super Special #16 (unrecognized by market)


I'm sure there are others that are more worthy, but I own these so I'm asking about your opinions on these in particular. For purposes of discussion/debate. Thanks for any feedback.
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I bought a copy of swamp thing 3, just to have it, but any speculative value has come and gone unless they decide to carry the swamp thing series further, sadly.

The rest of yours I dont really know much about or haven't chosen to follow.

A few of my own that slipped under most peoples radar are...

Justice League 40, 41, first Darkseid's daughter Grail

Howard the Duck 12,13 first appearance Kiss in comic books , they are out on their last tour now.

Iron man issues with first Riri

Incredible hulk 418,419 first talos

Amazing Spiderman 86 first appearance Black widows more modern costume.

Justice League #1...first Maxwell Lord.

Adventure 428,429,430 First black orchid, frequent member of Dark Justice

Lois Lane 115 2nd black racer, 116 first time Darkseid drawn by anyone but Kirby
Mister Miracle 4 first Big Barda
Mister Miracle 6 First Female furies
New Gods 2 2nd full darkseid appearance

Supergirl 5 reprints Zatanna origin
Supergirl 7 Zatanna cover and first team up between zatanna and supergirl

Tales of Suspense 79 first appearance of Cosmic Cube and first silver age appearance of actual red skull

Adventure comics 459, 460 Dc ending to the new gods storyline, after Kirby left

Hunger Dogs Graphic novel-Kirbys ending to same

Dc superstars 11-Zatannas first solo story
x-men 50 first New logo, 2nd Polaris, monochromatic cover, Steranko Steranko and more Steranko
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Can we really speculate on any of this? Who would have thought Captain Marvel #7 (2014) would explode because of a freakin' cat? It's come down since it's peak, but... I'm keeping an eye on Avengers Annual #10, which is still highly affordable.
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Since they have announced that there will be a Green Lantern tv show I would go with Kyle Rayner but really it could be Guy or John Stewart (not the comedian).

Sounds like 2 lanterns for the show... so I would think one will be female? I've been out of the lantern game for a while but I'm sure earth has a female representative....even though each sector gets one lantern earth sure seems to have a crap load of them!!
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A few of my own that slipped under most peoples radar are...

Justice League 40, 41, first Darkseid's daughter Grail


Great call on this one. I got the Variant cover. Grab this comic if you guys can.

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None of the above. They're 'minor' for a reason. A lot of the increases for those seem to be driven by movies (or TV, although none of the Disney shows have hit so that isn't proven at all) but then you're at the mercy of the same information drips as everyone else.

You can probably take books off the list if they've already had their bump. Hawkeye as Ronin already happened, although I guess you could wager on it being a plot point for the TV show. The 'unrecognized by market' books aren't going to magically be 'recognized' at this point. People have decided on X-Men 266 vs. Annual 14. The annual could still see a bump if they ever make the movie but otherwise Gambit (and Boba Fett) are known quantities. Ditto for Red Skull and the cosmic cube. What could happen to make these books move that hasn't already happened?

While I'm obviously down on speculating on these things, that doesn't mean I'm down on the books in general. New Avengers 13 is a nicer book to have than 12. I just wouldn't get my expectations high for any of these.
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None of the above. They're 'minor' for a reason. A lot of the increases for those seem to be driven by movies (or TV, although none of the Disney shows have hit so that isn't proven at all) but then you're at the mercy of the same information drips as everyone else.

You can probably take books off the list if they've already had their bump. Hawkeye as Ronin already happened, although I guess you could wager on it being a plot point for the TV show. The 'unrecognized by market' books aren't going to magically be 'recognized' at this point. People have decided on X-Men 266 vs. Annual 14. The annual could still see a bump if they ever make the movie but otherwise Gambit (and Boba Fett) are known quantities. Ditto for Red Skull and the cosmic cube. What could happen to make these books move that hasn't already happened?

While I'm obviously down on speculating on these things, that doesn't mean I'm down on the books in general. New Avengers 13 is a nicer book to have than 12. I just wouldn't get my expectations high for any of these.



I actually disagree with this assessment as it fails to allow for a few things....Point by point...red skull, for thirty years or more everyone always assumed TOS65 was his first appearance , or TOS 66, or TOS 73, but....65 was an impostor, 66 was a flasback story and so is 73....and we finally get the real red skull in issue 79. Ask ninety percent of the comic collecting and they will answer...TOS 65 because most do not know...not because they know and choose to ignore it as with Gambit and annual 14.
As the information becomes more well known I believe it will affect the value of the book....aside from and nevermind if the skull gains a role in the upcoming television plans , or perhaps even becomes involved in another movie in the MCU.As for the cosmic cube, that aspect will always have some draw to it regardless...and it wasn't till the last ten years that it was made clear that the Tessaract=cosmic cube=infinity stone. So I disagree and see some room for this book to move, aside from some great stories, art and even a sub mariner cover appearance.
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Since they have announced that there will be a Green Lantern tv show I would go with Kyle Rayner but really it could be Guy or John Stewart (not the comedian).

Sounds like 2 lanterns for the show... so I would think one will be female? I've been out of the lantern game for a while but I'm sure earth has a female representative....even though each sector gets one lantern earth sure seems to have a crap load of them!!
They could hit both the Hispanic and female keys in move with Jessica Cruz, perhaps
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A few of my own that slipped under most peoples radar are...

Justice League 40, 41, first Darkseid's daughter Grail


Great call on this one. I got the Variant cover. Grab this comic if you guys can.

Grail hasn't seen a lot of use yet, but given she would be possibly the second most powerful villian in the DC universe behind Darkseid....besides just the name grail is rather awesome
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I gotta say even though I love these type of threads Abigail Arcane is a “minor character”? I’ve felt offended all morning. That got me to thinking, I don’t own a Swamp Thing 3. I’ve read the story numerous times via omnibus but don’t own many really. With that being said I believe I know what I’m going to be looking for as far as books go for a while. If I get kicked out of my house I’ll be moving into @Ebayseller’s shed because it was his idea.
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@Darkseid_of_town obviously we're both giving out opinions, and I could be wrong. But those books are 30 and 50+ years old. I don't see a change coming.
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Mister Miracle 4, it can pop much bigger. Lots of dudes I know lust after big, so she could be big, especially if they cast a whole lotta Rosie.
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...x-men 50 first New logo, 2nd Polaris, monochromatic cover, Steranko Steranko and more Steranko


I'm sorry @darseid_of_town I think you missed something very important in your post above, what about Steranko?

lol
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None of the above. They're 'minor' for a reason. A lot of the increases for those seem to be driven by movies (or TV, although none of the Disney shows have hit so that isn't proven at all) but then you're at the mercy of the same information drips as everyone else.

You can probably take books off the list if they've already had their bump. Hawkeye as Ronin already happened, although I guess you could wager on it being a plot point for the TV show. The 'unrecognized by market' books aren't going to magically be 'recognized' at this point. People have decided on X-Men 266 vs. Annual 14. The annual could still see a bump if they ever make the movie but otherwise Gambit (and Boba Fett) are known quantities. Ditto for Red Skull and the cosmic cube. What could happen to make these books move that hasn't already happened?

While I'm obviously down on speculating on these things, that doesn't mean I'm down on the books in general. New Avengers 13 is a nicer book to have than 12. I just wouldn't get my expectations high for any of these.



I actually disagree with this assessment as it fails to allow for a few things....Point by point...red skull, for thirty years or more everyone always assumed TOS65 was his first appearance , or TOS 66, or TOS 73, but....65 was an impostor, 66 was a flasback story and so is 73....and we finally get the real red skull in issue 79. Ask ninety percent of the comic collecting and they will answer...TOS 65 because most do not know...not because they know and choose to ignore it...



I think most people feel a first appearance is a first appearance regardless if that first appearance was an imposter/flashback. I think the medium kind of dictates that. I'm assuming the character is drawn the recognized way, he behaves the recognized way...only to find out some issues later that it was actually someone else or a flashback. To me, that's still sort of the first appearance. It'd be interesting to know how other boardies feel about imposters/flashbacks....are they the characters first appearance or not (not from a story point of view but from a collector point of view)?
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Oh no!!! This is about to go down the 180 vs 181 and if 180 isn't then how the heck is Olsen 134!!!

First appearances are whatever the market has already decided...no way to change the past...well not easily... i just need enough power for my flux capacitor...but that's a different problem
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@KatKomics not really talking about what the money book is or should be but more like are imposters/flashbacks first apearances…… the one that comes to mind is Domino/Copycat NM98.
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I would submit World's Finest #173 (1968) vs Batman #234 (1971) as the case of the first appearance of Two-Face since the 1950s. Batman dressed as Two-Face in WF 173, but the real Two-Face came back in Batman #234. The market accepts Batman #234 over Bruce cosplaying as Harvey Dent.
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Strange Tales #114 announces the return of Captain America, and he’s shown on the cover, but it’s really the Acrobat in disguise. That issue came out four months before Avengers #4. You know which one is worth a lot more.
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People have decided on X-Men 266 vs. Annual 14.

Meaning which one is more desirable, right? The market can't decide which one is the first appearance any more than they can with Hulk 180/181.

Where's that dead horse at??
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@esaravo @Studley_Dudley excellent points!
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Where's that dead horse at??

Found it!

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I think 2 years is a very small spec window. But if I had to pick from your list, I’d say Kyle Rayner Green Lantern V2 #48.

Personally, I think Rocketeer’s 1st appearance in StarSlayer 2 is a safe bet.

I go for books I want in my collection that COULD appreciate in value. It’s got to be characters I like. That way, if they don’t go up, it’s not a big deal, I still dig it.
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I go for books I want in my collection that COULD appreciate in value. It’s got to be characters I like. That way, if they don’t go up, it’s not a big deal, I still dig it.


Ahmen!! Buy what you like and expect it to never have value...otherwise we would have all dumped thousands into pogs and then be left with things with no value and you don't want them
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A few of my own that slipped under most peoples radar are...

Justice League 40, 41, first Darkseid's daughter Grail


Great call on this one. I got the Variant cover. Grab this comic if you guys can.



I prefer the regular cover over this variant cover, however is the Combo-pack the rarest of the variant covers? It seems to go for more than the variant cover.
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I cant say for sure...when it released I bought like ten copies of the regular cover and I am glad I did so. She is a great character that should prove quite interesting in the coming few years
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Strange Tales #114 announces the return of Captain America, and he’s shown on the cover, but it’s really the Acrobat in disguise. That issue came out four months before Avengers #4. You know which one is worth a lot more.



Clearly and completely illustrates my point...the Red Skull we see in TOS 65 is also an impostor (Maxxon) , and the origin story is a retelling of the Skull's origin from the original series. Neither is a true first appearance of the actual red skull IN the silver age itself.IN issue 63 the groudwork was laid by also retelling the first origin of Captain America in the silver age as well.
In issue 73 more of the same...finally in issue 79 of TOS we are given a new and unique story to the red skull , the first told since the golden age...the true and first red skull in the silver age.

So for me the book is underappreciated, and will move up as people realize the older stories within the title are retellings whereas the story in issue 79 is new and fresh material.

We distinguish the latter appearance of a character like Domino vs the original appearance for impostor reasons yet try and argue somehow the same wouldnt apply in this case?

in any event I think even the confusion and debate helps create more demand for issue 79 as well
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These type of threads always end up devolving into the same familiar debates. I'm convinced that a couple of my fellow forum members are debate bots.
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Odd you would label the paths taken by a discussion you began as devolving.….I hardly see a healthy discussion of a topic as devolving along as people retain respect and aren't insulting and degrading one another.Its the differences in opinion that insure that there are always enough copies of the books I want that I can get one too
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Odd you would label the paths taken by a discussion you began as devolving


Yeah, I agree. I considered "evolve" but "devolve" fit better with the words "same familiar debate".
So instead of debating what constitutes a first appearance, maybe we discuss/debate forward...which I think your posts were encouraging also. What "minor" is likely to turn into a "major"? I like your contribution of Grail, even though I don't know the character. That was informative for me. Who has lost momentum but is likely to regain momentum? I've watched characters like Elektra or Cable or Gambit gain and lose momentum over the years. In the list I put up I like Echo best for longer term. A couple of responses preferred Kyle Raynor for near-term based on upcoming TV show. I also agree with that.
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I guess a few more books I am watching would be the modern day series, June 2010, Brave and bold 33, starring Batgirl and Zatanna and wonder woman...as it fills in some backstory of the Crippling of Barbara Gordon, which will become more central if Birds of Prey catches a sequel or two.
I am fond of Aparao's run in Aventure comics doing the spectre…..issues around 431-440 purely for the stories and art.

I think x men 166 still has wings and will go much higher .

Watching out for the various new mutants in the upcoming movie, that New mutants 14 an some of her other key books will likely benefit.


I am also fond of Marvel Preview 7, the very first appearance of Rocket racoon....dark color cover makes it hard to find in grade.
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