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-Our Odin- Rest in Peace 39.35K	39.35K Jesse_O private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 12
	It seems my opinion on this does bother some people. Since this person left this comment on my blog page, I can only assume it came from someone who is blocked from the forum. I painted over the name and I didn't approve the comment, so it is not visible on my blog if you go there. However, I want to make clear a couple things. First off, I am not an employee of CBCS. Therefore, Steve Borock is not my boss. Secondly, Steve Borock is my friend. And believe it or not, we don't agree on everything yet we still manage to get along because we are both adults. And finally, I don't know Steve's opinion on the green label, but I've often heard him say, "The grade is the grade." You can interpret that however you please.
	5 years ago	Post 26 • IP flag post

Beaten by boat oars 54.44K	54.44K Studley_Dudley private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 8
	As a general rule, I tend to avoid green and purple label CGC slabs. I avoid restored books from CBCS as well. Signed books are one thing, but books with pages missing that are magically 9.2 are glorified toilet paper. Tell your blog commenter to hit me up. I'd love to get educated.
	5 years ago	Post 27 • IP flag post

We should have the forum rate our packages. 39.56K	39.56K HeinzDad private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 9
	Quote: Originally Posted by Jesse_O It seems my opinion on this does bother some people. Since this person left this comment on my blog page, I can only assume it came from someone who is blocked from the forum. I painted over the name and I didn't approve the comment, so it is not visible on my blog if you go there. However, I want to make clear a couple things. First off, I am not an employee of CBCS. Therefore, Steve Borock is not my boss. Secondly, Steve Borock is my friend. And believe it or not, we don't agree on everything yet we still manage to get along because we are both adults. And finally, I don't know Steve's opinion on the green label, but I've often heard him say, "The grade is the grade." You can interpret that however you please. Nonononoyes
	5 years ago	Post 28 • IP flag post

I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. 80.23K	80.23K GAC private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by Jesse_O It seems my opinion on this does bother some people. Since this person left this comment on my blog page, I can only assume it came from someone who is blocked from the forum. I painted over the name and I didn't approve the comment, so it is not visible on my blog if you go there. However, I want to make clear a couple things. First off, I am not an employee of CBCS. Therefore, Steve Borock is not my boss. Secondly, Steve Borock is my friend. And believe it or not, we don't agree on everything yet we still manage to get along because we are both adults. And finally, I don't know Steve's opinion on the green label, but I've often heard him say, "The grade is the grade." You can interpret that however you please. I'd file that comment exactly where it belongs, in the Trash.
	5 years ago	Post 29 • IP flag post

Collector 1.3K	1.3K cyrano0521 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 5
	Had to stop reading...the ONLY acceptable Green Label is for a non-witnessed Signature that could have been yellow label. I would buy and send to CBCS for the red label of about the same grade.
	5 years ago	Post 30 • IP flag post

Collector 2.07K	2.07K MarvelousComics private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by dielinfinite @Jesse_O Yeah CBCS goes with a Green label by default. You have to opt-in for a blue label. Maybe the person that submitted thought it was the other way around? I had two books returned to me, Blue Label 0.5 for missing AD Pages. Some kid at some point had cut out the ads that didn't affect story and I didn't check. The book was flawed and I received the appropriate Blue Label grade, wouldn't have wanted green...
	5 years ago	Post 31 • IP flag post

I hear their hourly rate is outrageous! 20.95K	20.95K sportshort private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	oops. posted twice
	5 years ago	Post 32 • IP flag post

-Our Odin- Rest in Peace 39.35K	39.35K Jesse_O private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 24
	Everyone, believe me, that comment got trashed and the user blocked. I just shared it because it amazes me the lengths people will go to try to intimidate, harass or bully someone. Internet trolls are usually best off ignored. I guess he caught me on a day where idgaf. If you ever are the recipient of this level of trolling, just know you are not alone. People who consistantly do this, need your sympathy and prayers more than anything else. Don't let them get to you.
	5 years ago	Post 33 • IP flag post

I hear their hourly rate is outrageous! 20.95K	20.95K sportshort private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by Jesse_O Whatever.
	5 years ago	Post 34 • IP flag post

I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! 20.85K	20.85K Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Trolls still exist
	5 years ago	Post 35 • IP flag post

Collector 747	747 robertofredrico private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by GAC I'm going to ask CGC to ignore all the flaws on my books so I get back 10s. I don't think it works that way. I think the green label is only for a few specific defects (unwitnessed signature, missing coupons/pages, & popped staple). And even then the book has to be at least mid-grade otherwise.
	5 years ago	Post 36 • IP flag post

Thank you sir. May I have another? 26.16K	26.16K Siggy private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	There are 0.5 Green Labels, but those may have been requested (?lol?). I'm not sure if there's a cut off grade for their "Default" situations.
	5 years ago	Post 37 • IP flag post

I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! 20.85K	20.85K Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 5
	This sounds like one of those comic Ebay auction :used car salesman": "Looks Near Mint!!!, except coupon cut out and cover has a 5 inch tear. So I'm calling it Very Fine" Yea ok - this Green label stuff with cutouts and other major defects is a load of you know what
	5 years ago	Post 38 • IP flag post

COLLECTOR 26.96K	26.96K dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	The description of the Green Label on the CGC website is as follows Quote: Originally Posted by CGC Website A Qualified label is used by CGC for certified books that have a significant defect that needs specific description, or to note an unauthenticated signature (one which was not witnessed by CGC). Most green labels are for unwitnessed signatures, missing or detached pages, but I’ve seen some books qualified for multiple hole punches through the entire book, stamps on covers, stickers in books, cleaned staples (shouldn’t that have been restoration?), and one example where the back cover of the book had been hole punched to hell and back (I wish I could find it)
	5 years ago	Post 39 • IP flag post

past performance is no guarantee of future actions. 31.67K	31.67K KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by robertofredrico think the green label is only for a few specific defects (unwitnessed signature, missing coupons/pages, & popped staple). And even then the book has to be at least mid-grade otherwise. I have to admit to having an Aquaman #4 in 9.0 green because of popped staple...at the time I justified buying it because in that age range a popped staple is not uncommon due to the paper stock used and I would not have been able to afford a proper 9.0. Now that I can afford a proper 9.0's I'm of the opinion that I would rather spend that type of money on other books. No regrets..was a great book that I got really cheap...like ten cents on the dollar. I think for the signatures I would be ok with green....now adays I think everything else should be blue and hit accordingly!
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past performance is no guarantee of future actions. 31.67K	31.67K KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Would this be where the CBCS 'check mark' plays a part?? Real grade XX but 'check mark' - looks like a 9.0 and notes saying popped staple or missing pages/coupons not affecting story etc.etc.
	5 years ago	Post 41 • IP flag post

Beaten by boat oars 54.44K	54.44K Studley_Dudley private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	I'm not a fan of the ✔ either.
	5 years ago	Post 42 • IP flag post

-Our Odin- Rest in Peace 39.35K	39.35K Jesse_O private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 5
	Quote: Originally Posted by KatKomics Would this be where the CBCS 'check mark' plays a part?? Real grade XX but 'check mark' - looks like a 9.0 and notes saying popped staple or missing pages/coupons not affecting story etc.etc. I can see where the issues might cross, but CBCS doesn't ignore the defects. The grade is the grade. The checkmark is for when the reason for the grade is not obvious and the covers look better than the grade given. CBCS doesn't give a grade that would ignore that defect. You have to look up the graders notes to see what the defect is.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. 80.23K	80.23K GAC private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Not a fan of getting a checkmark either but it's the best way to address the "book looks better than given grade" scenario. @Jesse_O explains it perfectly.
	5 years ago	Post 44 • IP flag post

Collector 243	243 obiwan1971 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	So I guess from this on a post I made about this book 37.5% of a book missing isn’t enough for a CGC grader to take it on his own to just say “too much is missing”
	5 years ago	Post 45 • IP flag post

Collector 243	243 obiwan1971 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by Siggy Quote: Originally Posted by obiwan1971 What I find so amazing about this, is that they apparently will ignore any defect no matter how big. So I’ll submit a book that is a cover and like 2 or 3 pages. Maybe I can get a green 9.0 if they look nice enough lmao You might, but if the words "Most Pages Missing" are put on the label, I think you might get more laughs than CGC would, because you'd have paid them to do it. It's all perspective. A person who HATES signatures on comics will mock Green Labels because they feel signatures are defects. People who sell comics probably hate the Green Label the most because some feel "Green" AUTOMATICALLY means "bad", so they pass without more than a color check. Imagine how many sweet books have been turned down because some can't be bothered to read the label. If a collector who does not sell had a NM+ Silver Age book he had signed on the Splash by someone before 3rd Party Grading, and if he were the type of collector that freaks out at a 9.4 or lower grade, the Green Label would be the way to go if they choose to go with CGC, or are unaware of CBCS's VSP program. There are 'good' reasons for the Green Label, but for things like missing pages/coupons or outright damage inside, it should poopoo brown lol A signature or coupon cut isn’t nearly the same as 9 pages missing. That is over 1/3 of the book not there
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I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery. 60.24K	60.24K DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	I've never understood the qualified grade. A book is what it is based on its condition. If you're missing the fries, you can't call it a qualified combo meal.
	5 years ago	Post 47 • IP flag post

-Our Odin- Rest in Peace 39.35K	39.35K Jesse_O private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Here's what Bradleyx2 (a CGC grader) had to say about the green label in 2017. I found this on the CGC boards. Note how he says the blue label needs to be requested in the instances where they normally give a green label.
	5 years ago	Post 48 • IP flag post

Thank you sir. May I have another? 26.16K	26.16K Siggy private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by obiwan1971 Quote: Originally Posted by Siggy Quote: Originally Posted by obiwan1971 What I find so amazing about this, is that they apparently will ignore any defect no matter how big. So I’ll submit a book that is a cover and like 2 or 3 pages. Maybe I can get a green 9.0 if they look nice enough lmao You might, but if the words "Most Pages Missing" are put on the label, I think you might get more laughs than CGC would, because you'd have paid them to do it. It's all perspective. A person who HATES signatures on comics will mock Green Labels because they feel signatures are defects. People who sell comics probably hate the Green Label the most because some feel "Green" AUTOMATICALLY means "bad", so they pass without more than a color check. Imagine how many sweet books have been turned down because some can't be bothered to read the label. If a collector who does not sell had a NM+ Silver Age book he had signed on the Splash by someone before 3rd Party Grading, and if he were the type of collector that freaks out at a 9.4 or lower grade, the Green Label would be the way to go if they choose to go with CGC, or are unaware of CBCS's VSP program. There are 'good' reasons for the Green Label, but for things like missing pages/coupons or outright damage inside, it should be poo poo Brown lol A signature or coupon cut isn’t nearly the same as 9 pages missing. That is over 1/3 of the book not there I know. And a signature isn't nearly the same as a coupon cut out, whereas a coupon cut out is much closer to 9 missing pages than a signature is. My point is I'm okay with Green Labels for signatures, and feel anything missing inside should get Brown (just for a humorous example- Red, Orange, whatever). I kinda think they lump unwitnessed sigs with actual damage (cuts) as a motivator to use their SS program. I know that isn't fair for pre CGC signatures, but the money is in today's signatures.
	5 years ago	Post 49 • IP flag post

Masculinity takes a holiday. 37.37K	37.37K EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 4
	I like to believe that I can sometimes recognize tone and cadence in peoples writing. I smell the recently banned @Nononononoyes in this one. I wouldn't be opposed to a two grade label. Something link 9.0/0.5. After all, the submitter is paying to have the book evaluated. We could all put ".5" easily enough on just about any book with a missing page. It would be nice to have the rest of the book evaluated for a grade, not just the missing piece.
	5 years ago	Post 50 • IP flag post

Captain Accident 11.49K	11.49K the420bandito private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	I'd like to add to the confusion....
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! 20.85K	20.85K Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	Quote: Originally Posted by the420bandito I'd like to add to the confusion.... LOL ..... Gotta love CGC's "consistency"
	5 years ago	Post 52 • IP flag post

COLLECTOR 26.96K	26.96K dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	@the420bandito Nothing really confusing there unless I’m missing something. A piece missing from a page is within the 2.0 grade range for CBCS (the grading scale on CGC’s website is pretty much useless). I’m assuming the missing piece is the cause of the “incomplete” notation. If there are other significant issues that are the reason for the “incomplete” then there may be an issue but otherwise everything seems above-board on this one
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-Our Odin- Rest in Peace 39.35K	39.35K Jesse_O private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	As much as I dislike the qualified label, I have to agree with @dielinfinite here. If you look at what bradleyx2 says in the second half of my post above, this one seems in line with CGC standards. The book is low grade, the defect is noted in lower case letters, and the label is universal. It gets confusing, but this one seems in line with what we know about the qualified/universal scenario.
	5 years ago	Post 54 • IP flag post

Collector 1.3K	1.3K cyrano0521 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 0
	And there seems to be enough damage to the Dudley giving it a green label MIGHT only put it at 2.5, anyway
	5 years ago	Post 55 • IP flag post

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