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Collector danmalek466 private msg quote post Address this user
Some background:

I have two (2) comics:
-New Mutants #1 (19-3E1FB61-002)
-New Mutants #6 (19-3E1FB61-003)

These comics obtained Personal Authorized Witness Approval and are Yellow labeled. They were both signed by Bob McLeod at the Akron Comic Con (Akron, Ohio) on Nov 2, 2019.

My question:
Chris Claremont is coming to Cleveland, Ohio in May 2020. I have already submitted and obtained Personal Authorized Witness Approval to submit comics to CBCS. I want to break the case on the two aforementioned slabbed comics, get Claremont to sign them, and resubmit them to CBCS.

#1: Has anyone ever cracked the case and is it easy/hard? Any recommendations?
#2: My expectation is that both books will come back Yellow label indicating two (2) signatures obtained on separate dates (McLeod, and now Claremont), will this be the case? Since CBCS graded them the first time, do I need to provide any historic or additional information?

Thanks again!
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Collector GanaSoth private msg quote post Address this user
Don't open the slabs until you are onsite with the CBCS rep. As long as they see it's sealed, officially "yellow" labeled, it will remain yellow after the new signatures are witnessed. The CBCS rep will record/obtain the old labels info to add to the newer labels.

You can also have your precut windowed bags with backing boards ready after the removal of the comic from the slab. This way you have a placement of where you would like the signature to be placed and it helps keep the comic protected.

At least, this is what should happen.
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Collector danmalek466 private msg quote post Address this user
I don't think you understand the question. There will be no "CBCS rep", I am personally witnessing these in Cleveland, Ohio.
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COLLECTOR dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user
@danmalek466

1. The outer case is not difficult to open. You break off the clips at the too and bottom. The nerve racking part is removing the book from the inner sleeve which involves bringing a blade uncomfortably close to your book. Basically just take it slow and be careful. If there does happen to be a CBCS booth at the event they can crack the book for you

2. Yes the book would get 2 signatures on the yellow label. What you have to do is include the book’s previous yellow label with the book. I always include all the signatures on the submission form, not just the newly added ones. Finally, don’t forget to write your AW authorization code on your invoice before submitting the books to CBCS
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COLLECTOR kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user




Use a gerber shard tool to effortlessly open cbcs cases, damage free: https://amzn.to/37gS7wF

Position the bottle opener at the tabs on top of case and pop the tabs up/off the case.
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Collector Arak private msg quote post Address this user
Hey Kapt thanks a lot ..perfect timing since after sat night auction were going to crack my first ever order ( all 30 books and have a Texas style bonfire barbcue while I grill up some ribs with port shrooms and onions . if yall in the area stop by for a rack or two......ARAK or 2
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Collector Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user
This should do the trick to get it cracked...
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Collector Siggy private msg quote post Address this user
Quote:
Originally Posted by danmalek466
I don't think you understand the question. There will be no "CBCS rep", I am personally witnessing these in Cleveland, Ohio.

You're an AW?
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COLLECTOR dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user
@Siggy It’s in the first post

Quote:
Originally Posted by danmalek466
I have already submitted and obtained Personal Authorized Witness Approval to submit comics to CBCS.
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Collector xkonk private msg quote post Address this user
@dielinfinite come on, who reads?
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COLLECTOR kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arak
Hey Kapt thanks a lot ..perfect timing since after sat night auction were going to crack my first ever order ( all 30 books and have a Texas style bonfire barbcue while I grill up some ribs with port shrooms and onions . if yall in the area stop by for a rack or two......ARAK or 2


Hopefully not at the same time. And, wash your hands.
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Collector IronMan private msg quote post Address this user
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Use a gerber shard tool to effortlessly open cbcs cases, damage free: https://amzn.to/37gS7wF

Position the bottle opener at the tabs on top of case and pop the tabs up/off the case.


It's a useful enough keychain multipurpose tool. But if you want a keychain multipurpose tool the Doohickey is the standard to beat. It's a buck cheaper and arguably more useful.

I've never used either to open a CBCS slab. Because a regular pair of slip joint pliers works just fine. Most people already own at least one pair of slip joint pliers.
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Collector EbaySeller private msg quote post Address this user
@danmalek466 Wish I could talk you out of cracking those books for a Chris Claremont signature. While I've mentioned my eternal respect for Chris Claremont the writer in a previous thread, he's no artist and his signature on a cover is not a pretty thing.
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Collector danmalek466 private msg quote post Address this user
Quote:
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@danmalek466 Wish I could talk you out of cracking those books for a Chris Claremont signature. While I've mentioned my eternal respect for Chris Claremont the writer in a previous thread, he's no artist and his signature on a cover is not a pretty thing.


Interesting. I hate to miss this opportunity. I already have some other books for him to sign, but wanted to add these to the list. I also took your advice and scoured eBay for examples of his signature and yikes!! I just don't know how many more opportunities I will have for this.
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Collector xkonk private msg quote post Address this user
Personally, I like Claremont's signature. It isn't a designed or stylized (artisty) signature, but it's pretty distinctive and he has an opinion on where to put it. Besides that, if you're an X-Men fan you have to appreciate Claremont. The guy is a giant. I guess if you were really put off by how it looks but still wanted the sig, you could get it on the first page and then never see it again after it gets reslabbed.
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Collector danmalek466 private msg quote post Address this user
I will probably just let him sign the cover wherever he wants. Here are the books I am bringing for him to sign:

New Mutants #1 (1983)
New Mutants #6 (1983)
Wolverine #1 (1982)
Avengers Annual #10 (1981)
Uncanny X-Men #136 (1980)
Uncanny X-Men #141 (1980)

Get ready CBCS, they're coming your way...
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COLLECTOR kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user
His signature changes with the wind and his mood. It's pretty random yet identifiable.
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COLLECTOR dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user








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Collector Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user
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While I've mentioned my eternal respect for Chris Claremont the writer in a previous thread, he's no artist and his signature on a cover is not a pretty thing.


I 100% agree but I also gave up this battle a loooooooooong time ago with signatures on covers. It is ugly and yet it prevails in the industry. I just sell this slabbed stuff so I no longer care and just do whatever the trend in the industry is.
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Collector xkonk private msg quote post Address this user
@dielinfinite why the Jim Lee sig on 266?
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COLLECTOR dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user
Just because he’s the credited co-creator of Gambit and the issue is one of the character’s first appearances
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Collector teacha777 private msg quote post Address this user
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How did you get a yellow label Frank Miller? Was it previously yellow cgc?
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COLLECTOR dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user
No, just through a facilitator. Miller does yellow label for both companies.
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Collector teacha777 private msg quote post Address this user
Quote:
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No, just through a facilitator. Miller does yellow label for both companies.


Oh just private signings I guess
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Collector EbaySeller private msg quote post Address this user
I'm getting the sense that Yellow label is more desirable than Red Label. I understand the difference, but I'm wondering why does it matter to collectors whether the signature was Witnessed or Verified?
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COLLECTOR dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user
I think generally people have more confidence in a witnessed signature over one that has been verified to a degree of certainty. We have heard many people come to these boards to complain that a signature that they saw happen themselves not get verified and we have to assume that at least some less than authentic signatures may have slipped past (not to say that the witnessing system is infallible, of course).

I think that’s the main reason though I’d imagine a few others contribute. First off, this is a service only CBCS currently offers and CBCS is still the newcomer to a market that has been dominated by CGC for years so as CBCS continues to gain acceptance in the market then I imagine their red labels will gain more and more acceptance as well.

Finally, there’s a financial issue. Red labels are, in most cases, significantly more expensive than a yellow label. If you’re getting multiple signatures on a book you’re only paying $5 on top of any fees the signees may charge to get a yellow label. For a red label you’re paying at least $15 per signature on a book, on top of the signees’ fees. Sure some people charge more for their signatures if the book is being witnessed but it’s only in rare cases that the red label makes more financial sense
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