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antoniofett private msg quote post Address this user | |
   So I have an Aliens #1 from May 1988 that says 1st appearance of aliens. I also have a Dark Horse Presents from November 1988 that also says 1st appearance of aliens. To add to the confusion, CBCS says Dark Horse presents 24 is the 1st Aliens in title. Now I would imagine since Aliens came out first, it would be the true 1st appearance and in title, but I have no idea. Maybe someone can chime in and shed some light on this. |
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BrashSmurf private msg quote post Address this user | |
| First appearances are basically opinions and can change with new info coming out | ||
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Drahcir private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I can't remember where I read it a ways back, but it was essentially a huge misunderstanding about people miss-remembering when things came out. Someone ended up opening the books up at one point and realized that Aliens 1 predated it. It's a fairly recent update. | ||
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 It's like the Roach Motel for comic collectors.
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chester15 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Researching mcs and Overstreet Guide, both reference Aliens 1 as the first appearance of Aliens in comics. For DHP 24, mcs doesn't mention any kind of a first. They have this in the description: "Writer Mark Verheiden and artist Mark A. Nelson present an all-new "side bar" story to Dark Horse's ongoing Aliens miniseries as they take us inside the mind of an Alien Queen!". This seems to recognize the already-running Aliens mini-series, sort of a parallel story, so certainly after Aliens 1. Unless the releases didn't really happen in that order 30 years or so ago. Overstreet says of DHP 24: "Origin Aliens-c/story". So not a 1st appearance but an origin story. |
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Jesse_O private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Shouldn't it be the first appearance of xenomorphs? The first alien in comics was probably Superman, unless there was a sci fi comic that had aliens before Supes. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O @Jesse_O Great, now you're gonna have all of us searching our long boxes for a copy of Action Comics #1. |
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AndyRexia private msg quote post Address this user | |
 April 1988. Does anyone consider these first appearances if it's not in an actual comic? |
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Drahcir private msg quote post Address this user | |
on the topic of Aliens, check out the great art on this one.  |
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Siggy private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O It's labeled as "Aliens" (quotation marks) so they're likely designating the franchise. Quote: Originally Posted by BrashSmurf People certainly have different opinions on 1st appearances, but it's either a 1st, or it isn't. Without the use of a single adjective (cameo, full, whatever), a 1st appearance is a 1st appearance, unless of course it's a gimmick. If they try this Domino stuff with any pre-80s characters, I'm out. |
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 You do know that the new guy brings the donuts, right?
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DWeeB1967 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| If I'm remembering correctly (the 80s were a long time ago), Aliens #1 was the actual first appearance. DHP #24 was the first appearance (but not the last) of the Aliens in DHP and was the first origin of the Aliens. It appears that CGC has a mistake in their labeling of DHP #24. CBCS seems to have it right. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Siggy In that case, I would say that CBCS should put quotes around Aliens like CGC does. That would help differentiate between generic aliens and "Aliens" the franchise. |
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Siggy private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O I didn't notice that. I guess if I had I'd have added Aliens is made a pronoun with the capital A, so also referring to the franchise. |
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TimBildhauser private msg quote post Address this user | |
| If referring to the Aliens from the movie series everything posted here is wrong. There was an adaptation of Alien done by Archie Goodwin & Walt Simonson in Spain back in 1979. https://en.todocoleccion.net/comics-bruguera/alien-8-pasajero-editorial-bruguera-ano-1979~x155437778 |
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 I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O. The brood started in 1982:  Before the Brood, Kitty had a visitor at the X-Men mansion in 1981:  |
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 I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers).Splotches is gettin old! |
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| I recognize I'm in the minority here, but this is a huge reason why I'm a minimalist when it comes to CGC/CBCS labels. Place the grade on the label (that's the service they provide). The Writer, Artist and Cover artist are fine because those are facts. But stop with the 1st appearances stuff, because of reasons like this. Information changes, or is in conflict, etc... Go light on the labels and use other references if you so desire for 1st appearances and cameos and all that jazz. |
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cyrano0521 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Simple addendum “in title” reference means “in this series” so is a valid reference in this case. First Appearances aren’t opinion, just that new info can come to light or mistakes can be made. Everyone sell your Detective 850s, that issue doesn’t have the Sirens together, ever; Ivy and Harley have separate cameos... |
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kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by TimBildhauser Ooooooo I was wondering if someone was going to mention that one! Good one Tim |
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I'm waiting.... (tapping fingers). Splotches is gettin old! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by cyrano0521 I hear ya and as mentioned I'm in the minority - totally get it, but this is a consistent problem not relegated to just this book. Someone's hand or eyes in the background of a comic; someone in the shadows, creators stating a 1st cameo is not really the character, defining "cameo"; defining 1st in title; defining 1st full in Spain are just too much and too subject to new info, error and other inconsistencies. It is a constant issue that rears its head more often than it should. Grading companies are paid to provide a subjective, expert opinion on our books and apply a number. Other factual information is fine, but I maintain that there are too many cases in the industry that are in dispute, in error, in new info obtained, and other reasons to warrant having a boatload of posts over the years not unlike this one. |
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00slim private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by kaptainmyke This was released in ‘79 in the U.S. as well by Futura/Heavy Metal magazine. It has since been reprinted a couple times. Pic courtesy of MyComicShop:  |
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doog private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Thanks all, very educational. I bought the wrong books. I’ll start chasing the Futura mag | ||
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00slim private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by doog I never realized the Aliens #1 pre-dated DHP 24. Those are still very Key “Alien” books that any Xenomorph collector should have in their collection. |
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Siggy private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by TimBildhauser Well, not everything. |
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You do know that the new guy brings the donuts, right?
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DWeeB1967 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by 00slim Absolutely! Next let's discuss the first Terminator appearance.  |
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