How does a tiny spine split affect grade?11117
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| I pulled a copy of Albedo 3 from my garage boxes. Seems likely it had never been read or even opened when I boxed it up over 30 years ago. The cover is heavy stock. So I open the cover of this seemingly spotless book and hear an audible cracking sound. I can see that just by opening it the spine has split just below the top staple, maybe 1/4" split but definitely a split, I can see light through it when held the right way. Any idea how this will affect a grade that might have otherwise been 9.4 or 9.6? Has anyone experienced this before with books that have gone unopened for decades? I'm assuming it could only happen on the heavy stock covers? | ||
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| I think we would really need pics to help. | ||
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| My gut said 6.0. A Google search says according to a thread on “the other guy’s” forum, that’s where Overstreet would put a 1/4” spine split. I can’t imagine it reaching VF with damage through the whole book. BUT there’s a claim that this has been allowed at the VF/NM (9.0) level on CGC books: clickable text |
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| I'm guessing an 8 unfortunately | ||
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| As 00slim stated: 6.0 with 1/4 inch spine split. If you go by the bible (Overstreet). A 6.5 for 1/8 inch spine split. Then again who knows the parameters that CGC or CBCS use. Either way, you'll probable check the check mark next to your grade if CBCS used. Nuff said. | ||
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| You guys and just finding books like Albedo 3, 🤦♂️ | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by HeinzDad It helps if you got your first job in 1986, did a bunch of buying in 87 and 88, and then packed them up and left home forever in 89. Funny thing is the books lived in boxes under my parents stairs for 15 years. I have a much younger brother and sister who's friends loved to go under the stairs and read those comics all afternoon. Whenever I returned home I would find the comics laying out under there. They got to many of them, but not all of them. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbaySeller I had a similar issue with Jim Lee X-Men 1 wrap around. The split might of been more then 1/4" but it graded a 7.5 after press. |
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| Thanks for the insight on the card Stock cover. I was bidding on a book that looked like a good pressing candidate. | ||
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| @EbaySeller If the book is as high of a grade as you say, then a 1/4" split should still put it above a 6.5. Maybe an 8.0. All of my 3/4" splits came back as 6.5s and they looked like 6.5s... Yours looks better with a smaller split...can't imagine below a 7.0. |
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 I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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Quote:Originally Posted by 00slim Always provide pics when asking about grades. Also, take the book out of the bag so we can see it. |
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| You could have a NM book in every aspect, yet the marvel value stamp is cut out. It doesn't mean the grader starts out at a 1.0 (starting grade in Overstreet that allows a coupon to be cut out) and works the grade up because all other aspects are beautiful. Graders as far as I know start at the worse defect and then work the book's grade down from there depending on additional issues. If I am wrong in this assessment, please let me know. And yes, I am aware professional grading services have their own grading rules. Just my two cents....Nuff said... | ||
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| I got 2 books back from across the street this year..both were around 9.6 maybe 9.8..both came back with 1/4" spine splits (maybe a little more) bottom cover...one got an 8.0 and one got a 8.5..was pretty bummed I missed it. My own fault for rushing through a book that "appeared" NM, but they were 20.00 books so I didnt do my due diligence | ||
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| Thank you Watcher for sharing. I will continue to buy and sell books using Overstreet's Guide to Grading Comics. I will never understand third party graders thought process or secret guidelines for grading books. I will refrain from future comments on grading. Nuff said. | ||
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| hey Doc..I honestly have no idea what they use for standards anymore...one day 9 large spine ticks and blunted corners gets a 9.4 and the next , 2 small ticks sharp corners gets a 9.0 because of the "ghost " light finger bends after they pressed it themselves . Starting to think its all about the Benjamins now cuz there's zero consistency with next door | ||
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| There is also the holistic method of grading which instead of beginning with a perfect score and then only removing for defects also takes into account the positives..or grading the book for its entirety to which is far more even and fair on the average... That being said lately I keep seeing a whole lot of books that appear to be 7-8's being given 9 plus scores for no apparent good reason which is rather bothersome. I suspect the entire system is flawed in that the grading company is supposed to grade without bias and yet the higher the grade, the more they get paid, in fees. Also people who flip and want to sell the books will tend to submit as much as they can if they feel the grading benefits their dollar making efforts …..while CBCS might tend to grade more tightly, if your only goal is cashing out and selling as high as possible you are going to submit to the company that pumps the value of your books even if you know your own self those grades are too lenient and could possibly result in returns or complaints. I still am a firm believer in the strategy of buying the comic , not the slab itself. The grading opinion is nice and having the book encapsulated and possibly pressed and cleaned is all great and stuff, but end of the day I still grade the comics themselves when buying. |
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