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Too Much Pressure.. A Top Loader Question10946

Collector mattness private msg quote post Address this user
For close to a year now I have been storing my favorite books in a 2 mil Mylar with one fullback. I then place that in a silver age BCW top loader. Recently, when I took a look at some of the books, they seem to have more spine ticks and color breaks than I remember. All the books placed in the Silver age top loaders have been bronze age and copper age. When using a top loader, is it better to use a poly bag and normal backing board as it's not as thick? Has anyone else experienced this? Maybe I'm just becoming more aware with conditioning? Thanks you
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I'm a McNugget guzzler. HeinzDad private msg quote post Address this user
I’ve never used top loaders but I’d just like to ask if it’s more pressure than a press? If not I can’t see how this would hurt them. I could be wrong though.
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For close to a year now I have been storing my favorite books in a 2 mil Mylar with one fullback. I then place that in a silver age BCW top loader. Recently, when I took a look at some of the books, they seem to have more spine ticks and color breaks than I remember. All the books placed in the Silver age top loaders have been bronze age and copper age. When using a top loader, is it better to use a poly bag and normal backing board as it's not as thick? Has anyone else experienced this? Maybe I'm just becoming more aware with conditioning? Thanks you

Are you putting Top Loaders in a comic box or are these displayed on the wall?
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I’ve never used top loaders but I’d just like to ask if it’s more pressure than a press? If not I can’t see how this would hurt them. I could be wrong though.

You could stack your comics to the moon and the bottom one still wouldn't receive as much pressure as a press can give it.
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For close to a year now I have been storing my favorite books in a 2 mil Mylar with one fullback. I then place that in a silver age BCW top loader. Recently, when I took a look at some of the books, they seem to have more spine ticks and color breaks than I remember. All the books placed in the Silver age top loaders have been bronze age and copper age. When using a top loader, is it better to use a poly bag and normal backing board as it's not as thick? Has anyone else experienced this? Maybe I'm just becoming more aware with conditioning? Thanks you

I would say you’re just becoming more aware of condition.
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Collector cyrano0521 private msg quote post Address this user
The problem is in using a fullback. If your toploaders aren't for “thick” comics, then the fullback will be too thick and can cause problems for the comics.
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Collector NoNoNoNoNoYes private msg quote post Address this user
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The problem is in using a fullback. If your toploaders aren't for “thick” comics, then the fullback will be too thick and can cause problems for the comics.

We're talking about about these aren't we?


I don't see how a Fullback could be too thick???
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I'm a McNugget guzzler. HeinzDad private msg quote post Address this user
I’d say if you can get them in there to begin with, the top loaders aren’t the case. I’m going with @CaptainCanuck on this one. Mostly because I’ve noticed this with myself and my collection.
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I'm a McNugget guzzler. HeinzDad private msg quote post Address this user
to much “press”ure, would flatten the ticks not make more..
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Collector BrianGreensnips private msg quote post Address this user
@mattness I think that you are becoming more aware of the minor details from being part of this great forum. I can definitely look at a comic book and see it's flaws much better than I could about 5 years ago.
One thing that I learned about toploaders is to never put a book in there with just a backing board. The cover side of the book will get all scratched up. This happened to a couple of my books when I did not know any better.
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Collector mattness private msg quote post Address this user
@NoNoNoNoNoYes - The top loaders are stored in a plastic corrugated comic book box. Those are the correct BCW top loaders. (image you provided)

@cyrano0521 - I took out the full back and that helped a lot. However, removing the full back, the top loader and book have become quite pliable. Are there different thicknesses of Top Loaders for comics? I know there are for trading cards, ie 28 pts. 30 pts etc

@CaptainCanuck - @HeinzDad - @BrianGreensnips - I guess it’s good news that I’m learning and becoming more aware of condition. But it also kinda stinks. Now my “high” grade books have become mid-grade

Thanks again everyone, I really do appreciate it.
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Collector cyrano0521 private msg quote post Address this user
Just use a standard board, maybe two, or buy half-backs. Yes, there should be regular and “thick” top loaders along with the golden/silver/modern sizes. Or there should be...
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I'm a #2. BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user
I think sometimes we can go overkill with books. Standard 2Mil mylar and full back boards work just fine without the need for the top loaders.
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I think sometimes we can go overkill with books. Standard 2Mil mylar and full back boards work just fine without the need for the top loaders.


This. Bags and boards are all you need. If even that, really. Recall that all the amazing pedigree collections out there spent decades stacked in foot lockers or piled up in basements.
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Try Silver Age Poly Bag with 1 or 2 Silver Age backers. Then put in Golden Age 4 mil Mylar. Gives the books a great glossy look with just the right amount of rigidity.
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Try Silver Age Poly Bag with 1 or 2 Silver Age backers. Then put in Golden Age 4 mil Mylar. Gives the books a great glossy look with just the right amount of rigidity.

This defeats the entire purpose of putting a comic in Mylar. If you're going to pay for Mylars you do not want a polybag touching your comic. In this scenario the price of an expensive 4 mil mylar is wasted.
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Try Silver Age Poly Bag with 1 or 2 Silver Age backers. Then put in Golden Age 4 mil Mylar. Gives the books a great glossy look with just the right amount of rigidity.

This defeats the entire purpose of putting a comic in Mylar. If you're going to pay for Mylars you do not want a polybag touching your comic. In this scenario the price of an expensive 4 mil mylar is wasted.


Well, in my actual experience, comics stick to 4 mil mylars; ALWAYS bag and board comics in regular bag before using 4 mils, except for non-glossy comics.
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Try Silver Age Poly Bag with 1 or 2 Silver Age backers. Then put in Golden Age 4 mil Mylar. Gives the books a great glossy look with just the right amount of rigidity.

This defeats the entire purpose of putting a comic in Mylar. If you're going to pay for Mylars you do not want a polybag touching your comic. In this scenario the price of an expensive 4 mil mylar is wasted.


Well, in my actual experience, comics stick to 4 mil mylars; ALWAYS bag and board comics in regular bag before using 4 mils, except for non-glossy comics.

The reason you use Mylars is so a polybag never touches your comic. If you want to put it in a 1 mil or 2 mil mylar first and then in a 4mil that's fine. But the way you're describing is a complete waste of money and will damage your comics more/quicker than the way I describe.

NEVER BAG YOUR COMIC IN A POLYBAG BEFORE PUTTING IT IN A MYLAR!
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Try Silver Age Poly Bag with 1 or 2 Silver Age backers. Then put in Golden Age 4 mil Mylar. Gives the books a great glossy look with just the right amount of rigidity.

This defeats the entire purpose of putting a comic in Mylar. If you're going to pay for Mylars you do not want a polybag touching your comic. In this scenario the price of an expensive 4 mil mylar is wasted.


Well, in my actual experience, comics stick to 4 mil mylars; ALWAYS bag and board comics in regular bag before using 4 mils, except for non-glossy comics.

The reason you use Mylars is so a polybag never touches your comic. If you want to put it in a 1 mil or 2 mil mylar first and then in a 4mil that's fine. But the way you're describing is a complete waste of money and will damage your comics more/quicker than the way I describe.

NEVER BAG YOUR COMIC IN A POLYBAG BEFORE PUTTING IT IN A MYLAR!
I agree!
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I’ve never used top loaders but I’d just like to ask if it’s more pressure than a press? If not I can’t see how this would hurt them. I could be wrong though.

You could stack your comics to the moon and the bottom one still wouldn't receive as much pressure as a press can give it.


Yeah, I’m going to have to disagree with you.
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Collector BrianGreensnips private msg quote post Address this user
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I’ve never used top loaders but I’d just like to ask if it’s more pressure than a press? If not I can’t see how this would hurt them. I could be wrong though.

You could stack your comics to the moon and the bottom one still wouldn't receive as much pressure as a press can give it.


Yeah, I’m going to have to disagree with you.
I agree with you Joe.
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If I could, I would. I swear. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
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I’ve never used top loaders but I’d just like to ask if it’s more pressure than a press? If not I can’t see how this would hurt them. I could be wrong though.

You could stack your comics to the moon and the bottom one still wouldn't receive as much pressure as a press can give it.


Yeah, I’m going to have to disagree with you.
I agree with you Joe.

I agree with Joey, too. All the way to the moon, that's a lot of pressure per square inch to put on a comic book.
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I’ve never used top loaders but I’d just like to ask if it’s more pressure than a press? If not I can’t see how this would hurt them. I could be wrong though.

You could stack your comics to the moon and the bottom one still wouldn't receive as much pressure as a press can give it.


Yeah, I’m going to have to disagree with you.
I agree with you Joe.

I agree with Joey, too. All the way to the moon, that's a lot of pressure per square inch to put on a comic book.


It sounds STUpid in its reasoning.
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Captain Corrector CaptainCanuck private msg quote post Address this user
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The stack wouldn’t make it anywhere near the moon. Most of the books would be in orbit.
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Collector BrianGreensnips private msg quote post Address this user
They would be out of this world!
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Please continue to ignore anything I post. southerncross private msg quote post Address this user
Less oxygen may slow the aging process down.
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Collector Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user
Gives a new meaning to shuttle grading ...floating discounts and definitely removes a lot of the gravity of the situation
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Collector NoNoNoNoNoYes private msg quote post Address this user
Why so literal?
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
Ha!!!!
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Collector BrianGreensnips private msg quote post Address this user
One of these days Alice- POW straight to the moon!
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