How does a CBCS case differ in terms of optics from CGC?10898
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Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I own very few CBCS cases...perhaps a handful. I have more CGC cases than I care to admit or even count honestly. I had always read for resale purposes CGC brings better money etc. Recently , meaning for Christmas I was gifted a few books from my Santa, and they were some rather nice silver age books. As I examined them multiple times it has made me realize some of the comments I have seen here have some basis in fact. The empty fields of the case for my books seem much less ….hazed or obvious to see through. The broad expanses of cover when viewed through the CBCS cases seem to be much more well detailed, or easily examined than through a CGC case … I have just begun really questionig that aspect of the cases....and need to really examine the others I have but, it seems two possibilities might be obvious...that I got rather superbly chosen books in brand new cases, since no census exists to determine slabbing dates or so forth, and that they might be above and beyond the common look of the finished prduct offered... Or possibly there are elements to the CBCS case and process that do make the optics of their finished products posess more clarity, and thus offer higher visual fidelity to the book inside. Since I have seen multiple comments regarding the "superior optics" of CBCS cases, it would seem most likely this effect I am seeing is the latter of the two ...but why specifically? What is in play to create that effect and does anyone else ever experience that moment of ...discovery I am with this observation?  |
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Darryl_H private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Are you just asking for the difference in the CBCS cases, or are you saying these cases posted have issues? | ||
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Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Darryl to be very clear...I am quite happy with the cases posted ..they present far better than equivalent cases from CGC. My question is directed at why does the plastic seem to have more opacity, clarity and less hazing than that witnessed in CGC cases? Is it due to the inner liner material or some other factors? Are there any specific things that can be stated or is this all going to fall into that "trade secrets "folder. the books pictured were gifted me by Mr Borock and I think they are wonderful..the clarity of the cases made me keep looking at them is all....they really present the books well, especially in large areas of the cover that are static with large shapes or areas of the same color ... |
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 If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8.
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xkonk private msg quote post Address this user | |
| A little hard for me to make them out in your picture, but the first two digits in the CBCS code (like you would use to look up grader's notes) are the year the order was sent. You can use that to tell a little about how new the cases are. | ||
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| my Spawn 1 from cgc has newtons rings my spawn 1 newstand from cbcs looks amazing Yes i know they are not high value but i have had a spawn 1 with me for 27 years. it has been the only book i kept when in some years i moved 9 times. Cbcs cases just look better in my opinion. |
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The first time I held a CBCS slab, five years ago on January 2nd, I could see the difference and was sold. I got two slabs back from CBCS that I had mailed into them. I was very impressed with the clarity of the cases.   |
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonkI did not know that Konk, thanks for the tip! |
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Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user | |
| so the hulk book by example offers a code beginning with 19-so a 2019 slab apparently | ||
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esaravo private msg quote post Address this user | |
| To my eye, the CGC cases have a blueish tint to them. The CBCS cases don't, so they are crystal clear. The blue tint in the CGC slabs seems to dull the colors of the comic a little bit. So if you hold up two identical comics in the two different slabs, the colors will be clearer and brighter in the CBCS slab. | ||
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Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by esaravo when described that way its obvious there is a tint to the cgc cases almost a light bluish sheen, almost a micro hazing type look to them that does soften the opacity of the case to make viewing less of a wow experience. That is present throughout the case, not just the liner so it is something to do with the plastic used |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town 100% something with the plastic used..I've had new books back from both companies and CBCS is hands down clearer, nicer looking and without the newton ring issue! |
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| It could also be the thickness of the cgc slab too, or how the light travels through it. What I’ve really noticed is that cgc cases have what I’d call a yellow/brownish tint to them...which to me makes the book seem more yellow/dark. So white books look a bit off-white...off-white books more cream, etc. than cbcs cases. When i busted out my Batman 227 and 251 from cgc cases to be signed, I went with cbcs (even though I took a grade hit) because I wanted the books to present as clear as they could as they were for the PC. |
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I live in RI and Rhode Islanders eat chili with beans.
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esaravo private msg quote post Address this user | |
Compare:  |
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| Off topic, but I was wondering what does CBCS do with all the bags and boards you send in once the comic is slabbed. Do they throw them in the garbage? Sell them on the black market? Give them to employees for their personal collection? Only asking because I am frugal and wouldn't mind getting them back. | ||
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I live in RI and Rhode Islanders eat chili with beans.
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esaravo private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @flanders - Not sure what a grader makes for wages, but I am pretty sure that they will never have to buy Mylites or fullbacks for the rest of their lives. Not a bad perk. | ||
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 It's like the Roach Motel for comic collectors.
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| Maybe the blueish tint in CGC cases or inner packs involves UV protection, as blue is the color spectrum for UV. If so, it's a matter of trade-offs. A filter built in to keep some destructive light out may also make the object it is protecting "less visible" (colors, brightness, sharpness, etc.). Just like you can't see someone's eyes when they are wearing dark sunglasses, but they can see out just fine. | ||
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| I heard that one actual use for them is to use them when people mail in their comics without a bag and board. Or when they show up at the CBCS booth with just a raw comic. I've heard that it actually happens more than you would expect. It happened so often, that they started charging people when they have to do it. It is a step that CBCS should not have to do. | ||
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
| all i hope is that they are recycled or reused but not thrown in the skip/dump. | ||
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flanders private msg quote post Address this user | |
| ...now contemplating moving to Dallas and rummaging through the CBCS dumpsters. | ||
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Drogio private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by chester15 I have never heard of their slabs being up resistant. They make no mention of it and even recommend storing in a dark place. I don’t believe UV protection has anything to do with it. Quote: Originally Posted by esaravo You can see how the off white color looks more “tan” in the cgc case than then cream/off-white in the cbcs case....which has been my observation. |
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| You know I may grumble once in awhile about TAT’s but I would never stray from CBCS their quality and clarity of their cases is hands down superior to CGC I have even held up on slabbing some magazines I have hoping CBCS will pull the trigger soon. They may be the slowest gun in town but they are the most deadly. Thanks.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by chester15 I don't think it has anything to do with UV protection (which I don't think they have), I believe it has to do with the use of Barex as their choice of plastics. CGC's case are clearer now (less blue) because they no longer use Barex as nobody makes it anymore. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by esaravo Ugh. I would never use someone else's used bags or boards 🤢 |
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Quote:Originally Posted by flanders they are used for submissions sent in without bags and or boards. You would be surprised at the number of unbagged and unboarded books we receive. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darryl_H I can't wrap my brain around this. Who does this? They're smart enough to know about slabbing but they've never heard of a bag and board? |
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Enelson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Just to parrot some things already said- I think the CBCS case is clearer and more appealing...unfortunately if I want to sell something without jabronis messaging me about "its cbcs, can I get a discount" I have decided to use CGC. A couple of the recent silver age books I recieved that i might eventually sell I sent to CGC...the Tales to Astonish 27 I sent to CBCS because i decided that should be a long term hold | ||
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JustABitEvil private msg quote post Address this user | |
 The only reason the books on the right arent in CBCS slabs is because it would cost a small fortune to reslab them. The rings on the CGC yellows are just disgusting. |
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