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Given Grade Question10860

I'm good with splotches. Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user
I'm not going to get wired ... yet, so I'll just ask a question. Do others feel this 9.8 given grade is accurate? Pay close attention to the bottom right corner which I am unsure if part of the artwork or not.

A simple "yes" (i.e. yes I agree it's 9.8) OR
"No" (i.e. it is not a 9.8) will suffice.
I'll see what the tally is later on. Then determine if I should get wired or not.







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Collector andy49 private msg quote post Address this user
yes
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Suck it up, buttercup!! KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user
yes
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I'll probably wake up constipated. Pre_Coder private msg quote post Address this user
No
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Collector moodswing private msg quote post Address this user
Yes, I think it is part of the artwork. I take that back. Upon closer inspection, I do not think that is part of the artwork...NO
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Collector Donnied private msg quote post Address this user
I believe I've heard people say that modern books and older books are graded differently. This looks like a case where this book being a 15 cent comic, it is a 9.8, but if it was a modern comic, it might only be a 9.2. Possibly?
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Captain Corrector CaptainCanuck private msg quote post Address this user
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It’s a defect. Moreover, it also runs along the bottom edge.
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If I could, I would. I swear. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
Yes, 9.8s are not perfect.
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I'll probably wake up constipated. Pre_Coder private msg quote post Address this user
Quote:
Originally Posted by DrWatson
Yes, 9.8s are not perfect.


No, and obviously a 9.6 isn't either.
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If I could, I would. I swear. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
If he bought it and doesn't like it, then send it back.
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Collector andy49 private msg quote post Address this user
The OP appeared to have a concern with the bottom right corner.

Compared to another 9.8 book on ebay, the corner looks as it should.

No idea about the rest of the book.
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Collector Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user
Its a fair grade despite the small worn corner
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Suck it up, buttercup!! KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user
This is a horrible cover..I mean I love it... and just sent one in... but it is horrible because it is a black cover and with all the white cross hatching in the art work I really had to go over my copies with a magnifying glass to determine which was the better candidate to send in.
Normally any defects just 'pop' on a black cover...not so with this one!
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Collector moodswing private msg quote post Address this user
@andy49

Corner doesn't look the same to me.


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Collector 00slim private msg quote post Address this user
I’d think it was a 9.6 based on that corner, but if that’s the only flaw, I could see them letting it slide. So, I’ll give you a “maybe”.
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Suck it up, buttercup!! KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user
Quote:
Originally Posted by moodswing
@andy49

Corner doesn't look the same to me.




cover is cut differently...distance from text box to bottom of page is different?
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Collector andy49 private msg quote post Address this user
https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-GODS-1-CGC-9-8-White-Pages-1st-App-Orion-JACK-KIRBY-ART-Mister-Miracle/283453535771?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3D3ed2b78b09c24e18a9c8fcf6c7f95029%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D303425912081%26itm%3D283453535771%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2380057&_trksid=p2380057.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3Abbad0e4e-2c39-11ea-8beb-74dbd180f727%7Cparentrq%3A5ed048ec16f0abc3229409f7ff963e34%7Ciid%3A1

the above is what I used to compare the two
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I'm good with splotches. Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user
Yea... that's the comic.
I guess I just don't understand how a corner crease can be a 9.8. If it's the artwork - obviously ok. But it looks like a 1/16" - 1/8" corner crease to me.
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I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie. flanders private msg quote post Address this user
Quote:
Originally Posted by andy49
https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-GODS-1-CGC-9-8-White-Pages-1st-App-Orion-JACK-KIRBY-ART-Mister-Miracle/283453535771?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3D3ed2b78b09c24e18a9c8fcf6c7f95029%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D303425912081%26itm%3D283453535771%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2380057&_trksid=p2380057.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3Abbad0e4e-2c39-11ea-8beb-74dbd180f727%7Cparentrq%3A5ed048ec16f0abc3229409f7ff963e34%7Ciid%3A1

the above is what I used to compare the two


This is the same book.

Here's a close up of a 9.8 that was sold on comiclink: clickable text


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Collector andy49 private msg quote post Address this user
d'oh! lol

ok then dude, you might have a bent corner

not a 9.8
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I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie. flanders private msg quote post Address this user
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Collector Donnied private msg quote post Address this user
$4000! and still charging $14.35 for shipping. For that much this comic would need to be hand delivered to me in person. Probably along with a whole bunch of other comics included for free.
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I'm good with splotches. Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user
Sorry folks - wasn't trying to knock anyone's ebay sale. I was merely trying to ascertain, generally, if 1/8" - 1/16" corner creases are allowable on 9.8.
I guess I've been "schooled". They are.

Unless this is a mistake grade, there is a difference in grading of Moderns vs. Older books in that this would NOT be acceptable on a modern
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It's like the Roach Motel for comic collectors. chester15 private msg quote post Address this user
It could be a crease, well camouflaged. The graders had the opportunity to see the reverse side of the corner before it was slabbed. Maybe saw no sign of a crease there. Either way, it does not appear to be a sharp corner. Not sure how that is weighed at the 9.8 level.

It's too bad every slab doesn't come with grader notes. For modern comics that appear to be trying for a high 9 grade, the graders should be answering this specific question: "Why is this NOT a 10.0?" They could have preloaded text to just select or paste in - rounded corner at (location), loose (upper,lower) staple, spine tick (x how many), does not lay flat, etc. Then you would know specifically what they were taking into consideration besides general appearances. It might take an extra minute to load the info. Once it's slabbed, it's practically impossible to retrace the grader's steps without a bread trail.
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Collector cyrano0521 private msg quote post Address this user
Based on the fact all 4 corners have minor damage, i think it should be a 9.6. Some could be akin to shaken book syndrome, so could have been 9.8, at grading.
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Collector Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user
Maybe they were at 9.6 then said ..but wow that wrap
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Collector Drogio private msg quote post Address this user
Grading is subjective, so yes if that’s the ONLY flaw...I don’t know if it’s a crease or very slight blunting.

Ives seem books with two spine ticks get 9.8s. I’d say this is not as bad as that.
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I'm a #2. BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town
Maybe they were at 9.6 then said ..but wow that wrap


Well.. we most certainly no the opposite wouldn't be a possability.
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Collector Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town
Maybe they were at 9.6 then said ..but wow that wrap


Well.. we most certainly no the opposite wouldn't be a possability.
but then Overstreet grading definitions do not really allow for a mis-wrap above 9.0 so that point would be both facetious and unlikely
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If I could, I would. I swear. DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user
The cgc abandoned the Overstreet Grading Guide years ago.
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