This is a 9.6? ebay auction10697
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Quote:Originally Posted by esaravo I would take your two copies over the cgc 9.6 I love the CBCS haters who say they go to CGC because the books sell for more, and then it's usually followed by some comment along the lines of CGC grades better for resale. This goes back to "by the book not the grade" |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Drogio Here here  |
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| I was looking at a slabbed X-Men #80 (CBCS 9.4) yesterday on ebay. Besides having a badly mis-wrapped cover (usually not a grading deduction), I swear I can see a tear in the cover at the lower staple in the scans. No way I would call it an 9.4, but maybe that's allowed? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by esaravo The good thing is if the serial numbers are clear you can check the notes. I'd also want closer picks. |
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| I think the book was switched. It's not just the spine ticks. Looks like other issues on the upper right corner of the front if I'm seeing things right. Maybe some color rub also. I would have had no expectation above 9.0 if submitting it. Oh boy, just looked at the back cover as well. This just cannot be a legit slab. |
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| @EbaySeller I have seen videos of comics that should have been graded at 7.5-8 and come back 9.2s from cgc. I will shoot the seller an email and see if he has grader notes. |
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Curious what grade you all would expect for this copy based on the front cover: |
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| @EbaySeller hard to tell. I'm looking at it from my phone. I may guess a 8.5- 9.0 ? I've tried looking at that book on eBay with my phone and I don't have the same resolution everyone else can see with that book up on auction |
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| ——————————————————— Certification Information Certification #: 2079264007 Title: DC Comics Presents Issue: 26 Issue Date: 10/80 Issue Year: 1980 Publisher: D.C. Comics Grade: 9.6 Total Graded At: 536 Page Quality: WHITE Grade Date: 11/20/2019 Category: Modern Art Comments: Marv Wolfman story Jim Starlin & Steve Mitchell art Jim Starlin cover Key Comments: 1st app. of New Teen Titans in preview by Marv Wolfman & George Perez. 1st app. Raven, Cyborg & Starfire. Grader Notes: None Available ——————————————————— Interesting that a book with that many visible defects has no grader notes. |
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| @EbaySeller not sure what grade but it looks better than that eyesore of a 9.6. That grade is hurting my eyes almost as much as Drake's music hurts my ears. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by flanders Maybe it's a blessing I can't see it properly on my phone then  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town Ditto |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Watcher Same here. |
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| thanks, 9.2 is the grade I would expect from CBCS. For CGC I would cross my fingers for 9.4. But as with Flanders, I prefer it to the slabbed 9.6. | ||
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| This dealer raises too many red flags for me. His "Pick your Comic" multi-book listings are awkward if not misleading, and his shipping charges are very high and strangely inconsistent. My guess would be that if he doesn't do sketchy things himself, he may well be getting his supply from people who do sketchy things. Of course he's located in Brooklyn, I guessed that before I looked. So many of the bad Ebay experiences that I've had have come from that area outside NYC. |
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| I continue to wonder about the catchphrase "buy the book; not the grade". So why is it we pay good money to 3rd party experts? - so that I still have to buy the comic; not the grade? Makes total sense to me. I'll stick with buying raws; getting them graded; and let some other poor soul still have to grade a graded book before purchase |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbaySeller Also can't be legit...no bonus CGC newton rings |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 I think you might have answered your own question in the end there. We pay the third party not to buy...but to sell. The 3rd party certification gives our books liquidity that, unfortunately, it just would not have beyond those who can physically inspect it. Truth is, without the internet, I suspect our slabbing needs would go down by about 75%. On the other hand, it's a reasonable price to pay for access to a global, rather than local, market. |
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| @EbaySeller exactly. Most of my slabbed books I bought off dealers and auction houses while I was living in Australia. Though I saw scans of the book the restoration check and the fact that the book was complete gave me confidence to buy a book that I could not physically inspect in my hands prior to purchasing | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbaySeller I couldn't have put it better myself. I have argued this point before and it's logic always meets some resistance. TPGing exists for one reason... Buy, Sell, Trade |
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| When I think of "Buy The Book, Not The Grade", the situation I imagine is a perfectly centered 9.6 vs an off center 9.8 I'll take the perfectly centered 9.6 every day. |
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| Also can mean two low grade books and out of the two one presents well for the grade. And other factors like centering and is the cover snow white or is it turning cream with age ect. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by southerncross Agreed- Not just supergrades, but anything that presents better. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Siggy ABSOLUTELY! Mis Wraps SUCK! |
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I guess I'll just keep selling what I submit for grading and towing the line that everything is great and the service is sooooooooo good to have a 3rd party in the hobby I've purchased less than a handful of graded books; only because they were priced same as raw. As a buyer - I just can't bring myself to purchase a graded book that is exponentially more than it's raw counterpart when I still have to do grading myself on an already graded book. I mean, really, what service was it that was provided by CGC when I see 9.6's look like this garbage at the beginning of this thread. I need to grade it again? Ahhh... no.... confidence is needed in the 3rd party is what's required Now let me go wash my car since I just had it detailed  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by 11Taylor06 A thousand books in 5 years...really? That's a slow week for me. Having had this very conversation with at least 4 of the top graders at CBCS and CGC, about how each era of books are graded...copper age does not get graded differently. Nor do moderns, bronze, and silver. |
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| I have no evidence or data, and therefore no opinion on the existence of grading differential between era of books. I do, however, have thoughts on what people say vs. what they do. Actions, Evidence and Data speaks way louder to me than what someone tells me. That goes for any aspect of life. "In God we Trust, All Others Bring Data"   |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CFP_Comics I know that you speak honestly, but I have trouble reconciling what you are saying with my personal observations. So I'm trying to honestly think of reasons why this may be. Maybe on older books, with the passage of time, the creases and flaws are a bit larger and more visible but grade the same as smaller less visible flaws on newer books? Maybe the non-color breaking stuff on newer books has more impact on higher grade and less impact on mid grade books? I don't know, but maybe you have some insight on what we are seeing that causes us to believe that newer books are graded tougher? |
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| I guess it starts with defining what you consider newer....most of my collecting years, I always understood all grading was standard, but golden age books always got a little benefit of the doubt ...cause. For me Dc comics presents is newer, as is Amazing Spiderman 300..... The problem with what is being tried here is....similar to the age old question...when did the silver age begin...when did it end? When did the copper age begin? Etc... So then as you are sitting there grading books do you get to the point where you say...this is an older copper almost silver so we bend the curve quite a bit, whereas this book is an almost modern, but still copper so it gets little flex room....how do you split those hairs and when ? Do you get to a point where you say okay this is the older modern almost copper so lets relax things just a bit here...and this one is newer so lets just do it strict? I feel a lot of this was seeded into the system the minute they chose to charge Final value fees based on the value of the book. The very minute they did that, any concept of unbiased grading went by the wayside....the better the grade the higher the fee, the more you can be charged, the more you sell it for and everyone is happy.....except that it breaks the system. |
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