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European Grading Standards...10472

Collector comic_book_man private msg quote post Address this user
Eww...I guess they've never heard of an inner well.

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I live in RI and Rhode Islanders eat chili with beans. esaravo private msg quote post Address this user
@comic_book_man - Only pics of CBCS and CGC slabs are allowed by CBCS on these forums. So you might want to delete the picture.
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Collector comic_book_man private msg quote post Address this user
@esaravo there, now its indistinguishable.
Thanks!
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Collector comic_book_man private msg quote post Address this user
@esaravo I've seen plenty of photos from other slabs, as long as it's not PGX.
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I hear their hourly rate is outrageous! sportshort private msg quote post Address this user
I don't understand the rationale behind the not allowing PGX pics? if the rationale is that it's a competitor? so is CGC but that's allowed. there is probably more hate spewed towards CBCS on the CGS forums than there will ever be for PGX, merely due to the fact that CBCS is giving CGC a run for its money. Can someone explain this?
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Beaten by boat oars Studley_Dudley private msg quote post Address this user
Their forum, their rules on what is/isn't allowed.

Doesn't EGS have some connection to Darryl over at Silver Acre Comics in the UK? I've never bought an EGS slab but it makes sense that the Europeans would have a spot to submit for grading and get bent over a barrel on shipping. I don't know if CBCS UK is still a thing or not. Anyone use the EGS service?
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I hear their hourly rate is outrageous! sportshort private msg quote post Address this user
@Studley_Dudley, I know you're right but why sleep with the enemy? either allow all or allow none.
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Collector no1lufcfan private msg quote post Address this user
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Their forum, their rules on what is/isn't allowed.

Doesn't EGS have some connection to Darryl over at Silver Acre Comics in the UK? I've never bought an EGS slab but it makes sense that the Europeans would have a spot to submit for grading and get bent over a barrel on shipping. I don't know if CBCS UK is still a thing or not. Anyone use the EGS service?


I think they are one and the same according to Silver Acre web site
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I'm a #2. BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user
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I don't understand the rationale behind the not allowing PGX pics? if the rationale is that it's a competitor? so is CGC but that's allowed. there is probably more hate spewed towards CBCS on the CGS forums than there will ever be for PGX, merely due to the fact that CBCS is giving CGC a run for its money. Can someone explain this?



Ditto

I think it is absolutely ridiculous that PGX gets blacklisted. Despite any of the stated history behind PGX they are most certainly are a viable TPGing service with as nice a looking slab as anybody else. I believe they also have the longest running tenure of any of the TPGing companies and most certainly hold some market share or they would not still be around.

You can agree or disagree with ANY of the TPGing companies(CGC, CBCS, PGX) standards and policies, but all three seem to have some legitimate market share.

Black listing PGX only serves to limit the over all discussion of comic books and makes collectors less knowledgeable.

BTW.... I do not own any PGX books, but I am most certainly not closed minded enough to not consider them as a viable player and option for books I may want or need.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
@sportshort PGX is a blight on third party grading. All you need to do is google the PGX story. Third party grading is all about impartiality. No need to say more.
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Collector comic_book_man private msg quote post Address this user
I think the main issue is that PGX invites controversial conversations, ie arguments... where as CBCS just has bad customer service and business practices. There is much shadow that surrounds PGX, CBCS is a 5AM sunrise, and CGC is a sunny day with a cool breeze.
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Beaten by boat oars Studley_Dudley private msg quote post Address this user
Cool breeze that smells like monkey shit.
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this. GAC private msg quote post Address this user
@Studley_Dudley lol!!!! 👍
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I hear their hourly rate is outrageous! sportshort private msg quote post Address this user
@GAC have you looked up the CGC "Jason Ewhert Scandal"? people in this story were up in arms over CGC and Mr Borock. people being what they are there is a lot of overreacting and tons of "the sky is falling" sprinkled with a little bit of outrage. the things I've read about PgX are not that different from CBCS verifying Todd Mcfarlane's pre printed signature as authentic. It happens, I don't like it but I don't see it as worse. read the story I referenced and let me know what you think (if you haven't already). sit back and relax, it's a long read.
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If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8. xkonk private msg quote post Address this user
@sportshort The Ewhert scandal and McFarlane story, as I understand them, are about misses. Everybody misses things sometimes, and it isn't good but the question is how you respond and how often it happens. The point was belabored recently all through the McFarlane thread.

The PGX self-dealing issue is an ethical problem. It completely defeats the purpose of third-party grading as the graders are no longer third party.

It's like the difference between a doctor leaving gauze in you and a doctor giving you the wrong surgery so he can bill more to insurance. Both are bad, and if a doctor leaves enough stuff in enough people you would stop going to him, but the second one is an immediate deal-breaker.
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I hear their hourly rate is outrageous! sportshort private msg quote post Address this user
@xkonk, If you are correct I completely agree with PGX is the greater culprit. can you give me a link to this story (I like stories) so that I can read about it. or how to search for it myself, I tried googling it and I am not using the right word combination.

the folks on the CGC boards were yelling collusion/conspiracy between Ewhert and CGC. As I said maybe overreacting since it could have just been a mistake.
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If the viagra is working you should be well over a 9.8. xkonk private msg quote post Address this user
The most consistently referenced single link I keep seeing is http://www.justafanboy.com/PGX/ , but I can't get it to load on my computer right now. Don't know if the site still exists or not. If you google 'PGX terrance leder' or 'PGX scandal', you should get enough hints and references to things to get yourself started.
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I hear their hourly rate is outrageous! sportshort private msg quote post Address this user
@xkonk Thanks, I will check it out this evening.
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Masculinity takes a holiday. EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user
Cracked a couple beers last night and read a few pages of the Jason Ewhert thread on CGC forum. Made me wonder, how much do I really care about micro-trimming? I think I only care because I'm told that I'm supposed to care about it. Honestly, if it weren't for the grading and restoration checks, I don't think it would bother me at all that somebody cut teeny tiny slivers off the edges to improve the asthetics of an old rare comic book. I think it probably just gets under our skin that they were creating ill-gotten gains more than that the books were missing tiny slivers.
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I don't understand the rationale behind the not allowing PGX pics? if the rationale is that it's a competitor? so is CGC but that's allowed. there is probably more hate spewed towards CBCS on the CGS forums than there will ever be for PGX, merely due to the fact that CBCS is giving CGC a run for its money. Can someone explain this?

That is not true at all.

PGX is abhorred on the CGC Boards. CBCS is kinda 'meh' respected.

There is also probably no one there that thinks CBCS is 'giving them a run for their money'. We wish they would, because CGC needs to fix the ongoing Newton Ring problems.
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I hear their hourly rate is outrageous! sportshort private msg quote post Address this user
@theCapraAegagrus it's possible i'm not trying hard enough or have not been around CGC's boards enough, but I find CBCS hate there more than PGX easily, it's also possible that they don't think much of PGX, therefore not worth their time. don't know. I could easily be wrong once I read all the anger spewed on CGC's boards I left and never went back. I much prefer the folks here. sure, there's a loon every once in while but we're all different and that's ok.
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@theCapraAegagrus it's possible i'm not trying hard enough or have not been around CGC's boards enough, but I find CBCS hate there more than PGX easily, it's also possible that they don't think much of PGX, therefore not worth their time. don't know. I could easily be wrong once I read all the anger spewed on CGC's boards I left and never went back. I much prefer the folks here. sure, there's a loon every once in while but we're all different and that's ok.

I'm usually on the CGC boards all day every day lol.

Yes - they also don't think that PGX is a legitimate grading company. That's where the disdain comes from.

Yes - CBCS is referred to as "Voldemort". It's not "hate" so much as it is CGC censoring CBCS-related content because Steve left and created a competitor. Just like Harry Potter franchise refers to "that of whom we do not speak" instead of his name.
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I hear their hourly rate is outrageous! sportshort private msg quote post Address this user
@theCapraAegagrus funny and appropriate terms.
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