my buddy tested pgx cbcs cgc with the same book10362
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| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19zzDFTFoPY if you get a chance watch this youtube vid, it confirms just how great cbcs is. |
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| Thanks for posting. It helps to solidify what I've been thinking for a while now. I decided a couple weeks ago that I will only be buying CBCS graded comics from now on. Now my conflict is I'm wondering if it's in my best interest to continue using CBCS exclusively for grading? I think I will, and just hope videos like this will bring about a time when that choice is justified financially. | ||
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| It's not a big enough sample size for me to form an opinion. That being said, I've passed on bidding on a lot of comics in the newer CGC slabs because of blatant overgrading. However there are cases where CBCS may have drastically overgraded a comic. clickable text Ghost Rider #1 Marvel9 1973 Variant: Pedigree: 9.2 Certified White Signees: Notes: spine stress & 2 tiny creases top right corner front cover breaks color eraser rubs along spine & all 3 edges back cover I'm extremely noob but I wasn't aware you can have creases that significant on a cover and get a grade this high. I thought it automatically downgraded it to a 7.5. |
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| Grader notes match, so not swapped out. If that’s all that’s wrong, the math could be 9.2, but i’d be more inclined to give it 8.5. | ||
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| In regards to the guys astonishment, in the end, he comments about how this is like the first time cgc dropped the ball. A few minutes later, he states 2 spine ticks or something like that passed for 9.8 on a few books he has seen. I fully admit I jumped to the end. But unless I misunderstood his comments, having a discrepancy like that will give ammo to attack his implied lack of bias. |
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| Here's another example of a CBCS 9.2. Do you think the grade is accurate? clickable text |
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| Interesting video. I think the paranoia and being scared was a bit much. Just reaffirms what we all already knew. It's all subjective and not a perfect job. I would also think the same holds true to any kind of grading whether its for diamonds, coins, paper money or baseball cards. The real problem is determining the value based on the condition of the item. If the grading is off then the seller and buyer get ripped off. It will be interesting to see how a lawsuit plays out when it gets into the court system one day. | ||
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| I was thinking 8.0 at worst. I’ve returned 3 cgc books purchased on ebay graded within the last year and wanted to return a 3rd but kept it as it was “close enough.” Also of 5 books I had graded by cgc this past summer maybe 2 I consider 9.8 potential....all came back 9.8. So I’m not shocked cgc is higher...but wow that’s bad. |
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| interesting video. Grades dont surprise me. that being said, one example doesn't prove or mean anything. Cbcs is the best in my opinion though. not sure why he was scared. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC Maybe he thinks CGC is going to hire a hitman to murder him and his family for exposing them. |
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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Quote:Originally Posted by flanders like a mob hit? CGC do behave like that. lol! |
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| I think he is shocked that he realized he doesn't really know how these companies grade. If you send a lot of comics to get graded, you probably would like to have an idea on how they will grade your comic. Now he is not sure of himself. No way that should have got a 9.2. One of the worst parts about comic grading is everyone wants higher grades, so if a higher grade fetches more money, why wouldn't you send your comic to the company that overgrades? Cgc usually gets a premium over cbcs and now they seem to grade higher. It is a catch 22. The company that actually grades the best, gets punished the most. Crazy part is he probably would have got a legit 9.2 if he pressed and cleaned it. |
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 To answer your question, no, this is not where the comics go to die.
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So does that mean CGC grades just as good as PGX? and it is funny how scared the guy seemed to be....like he was doing something illegal  |
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| . Costly and time consuming, but also quite insightful. It’s interesting that he looks up the CBCS notes, but not the CGC notes. Would seem logical to compare them both. (He could even get the PGX notes as well). |
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| Whenever I go to cons, I always go with open ears, paying attention to what people are asking for, what the current buzz is about, etc. From what I’ve heard people saying, it is clear to me that CBCS does have a reputation around the hobby for being tighter graders. Why CGC books seem to command a premium over the other grading companies is something I don’t understand. For myself, I always trust to my own judgement. I have been a part of this hobby for 45 of my 50 years on this earth, and I am not likely to change my own expert opinion based on what some grading company says. Even with slabbed books, especially with slabbed books, you should always make your own assessment. I can’t tell you how many CGC slabs I have passed on because I thought they were overgraded. If I don’t agree with their assessment, I will not buy the book (excepting that the price is in line with my own valuation). The same goes with CBCS or PGX. And for the record, I have also seen CBCS slabs I thought were overgraded and PGX slabs that I thought were graded reasonably. Grading is a naturally subjective thing and there will never be complete agreement on the subject. There is a better chance of peace breaking out in the Middle East! The main reason I buy slabbed books is not for someone to tell me the condition, but for the restoration check, where I trust my own judgement less and value the opinion of someone more experienced than me. For the record, I had the comic in the video at an 8.0. I can certainly see an 8.5 grade as reasonable. The 9.2 grade, not so much. And maybe it was just the light in the video, but the pages were definitely short of white. I’m thinking off-white at best. Overall, though, an interesting video and well worth watching. Thanks for sharing! | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by MutantMania I have a feeling CGC is more lenient now with comics of any age. I've read posts on CGC forums even saying they were more strict with grading in the past and the older slabs are often more desirable primarily because of the higher grading standards rather than the newton ring issue. I wouldn't be surprised if collector's have cracked open older cases and resubmitted comics believing they will get higher grades without pressing or had comics pressed after being cracked from older cases and believed pressing and cleaning was the sole reason a higher grade was received after resubmitting to CGC. I've also read (can't remember what forum or post) that at times you can get more favorable grades from on-site grading at cons. |
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| @michaelekrupp cbcs’s lack of a registry would be one of the reasons | ||
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| Registry? You mean if you buy a graded comic you can get it added to your inventory with them? Or you mean a census? If that’s it, CBCS is working on beta testing, from what i understand, and hopefully roll it out to us, soon. | ||
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| This started downhill about when the grading companies began adding a fee based on the market value of the comic...before that grading per se lacked a bias. Once the fees were added, presumably the better the grade, the higher the book value and more to the point, the higher the fee collected. I understand the insurance and value arguments that have been made, for charging fees based on the price a book is worth...but I also feel it compromises the integrity of the system badly |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town Good point, definitely an undeniable conflict of interest. I've also been concerned that the value of high-volume dealers to the company creates an unavoidable conflict of interest. In youth football it's pretty easy to lobby and influence the ref on your side of the field and as a game goes on you often see both side refs shifting in favor of the sideline they stand on. I imagine this type of complaining and lobbying goes on all the time in the grading industry. |
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| I believe Beckett charges a flat rate for cards based on turnaround time regardless of the value. Maybe CBCS will adopt the same policy one day. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by cyrano0521The Census has been coming soon since late 2014 |
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Quote:Originally Posted by dielinfinite This song immediately came to mind. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by flanders The "percentage of FMV" conflict could also be resolved by using wide value tiers for pricing: Same flat price for $5,000-$10,000, higher flat price for $10,000-$20,000, etc, etc. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbaySellerthis! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by OGJackster I wonder if a case would ever make it to court. If the book or collection is significant enough and gross negligence can be proven on the graders part then probably so. But because grading is subjective, and thats pretty well understood throughout the industry, I'm not sure a lawyer would take this to court or a judge agree to hear it. I could be wrong tho. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town The FMV was always there from the time I started CGC, so it was in place from day 1. |
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Based on that video, and the fact that a 9.8 copy of that comic sells for more than 10 times a 9.6 copy, how many of you would crack this book out and submit it to CGC? |
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