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| For me, after RETURN OF THE JEDI I just couldn't really get into the plots. Looking back I can't figure out if it was the writing, poor casting or just simply because I just got older and didn't give a sh*t. The new characters they introduced did nothing for me. Maybe they should have stopped after the first 3. | ||
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| "Maybe you should look into how one becomes born again, and how one gives oneself to Jesus after leading a horrible life, atoning for those sins, and the journey that takes one upon. " maybe you should avoid attempting to insult others knowledge about god, religion and atonement. How about that? Its a rather poor and weary method of attacking a point in an argument to insult, but so common. "Then help me understand how Vader is the same even though we don't have a scene in which he reflects on the sins he has committed in his life, the path he follows, and the actions he takes to be redeemed. " We dont have a single scene, we have an entire movie where there are multiple scenes where vader questions his choices, his actions and finally chooses a different path..in fact its central to the entire storyline. I am unsure how anyone could have missed all of them, but yes, vader does question himself often and second guess his path. "I guess, in your world one just act atones for all the horrible things that Vader did. " Judgemental and attempting to assign what happens "in my world" has little to do with what happened in Darth Vaders or son of sams. Still look again at muy comparison...Vader destroys the emperor...act of atonement 1....vader then turns to the good side of the force....act 2.... Son of sam turns to god...atonement...so yes, in my world, actually the murderers one act is supposedly enough where vader took two steps. "I guess that works for the other people that think Vader is a hunky-dory guy because he saved Luke too. However, Vader killed children when he took out the Tuskin Raider's village, when he killed the Padawans, and when he stood by and did nothing when Alderaan was destroyed. A simple change of heart because his own child's life was at risk doesn't seem like he was looking for salvation." Salvation? that wasnt even the entire point being made...Vader turned because he realized he had been tricked, lied to and used his entire life. He did not turn to the force for salvation, he turned to the force because he realized it was his true path.He even said he wanted to die as himself, not Darth vader in asking his mask to be removed. he wasn't seeking salvation, he just wanted his life and death to have the correct meaning Son of sam appears to be using salvation as a method pf coping with his acts and dealing with his reality...there is nothing that will save him from that. he is currently serving six life sentences. "To me it look like he just wanted his boy to live. Nothing more, and nothing less. Like I stated, your mileage is different than mine and if Georgie boy wanted me to see something different then he should have written a better " georgie did not intend to hand you all the pieces..he meant to give you something to think and compare what you had seen with. he meant to provoke thought and entertain...it isnt his job to deliver the entire message, only to get you interested, the rest is on you. |
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| Incidentally when he flipped to the light side of the force and none of the characters even gave it much thought....in the real world, when someone changes their mindset and decides to walk with god, do we question their choices or accept them as being best for that person and their fair choice to make......in my experience you not only do not question it, you accept it and you allow them the right and freedom to make that choice. | ||
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| @Darkseid_of_town The quote was "...the generations of the Skywalker family spirits would have risen to the heavens..." That is plural. Quote: Originally Posted by Towmater Great, you didn't understand the meaning of the word as I was using it. When I use the plural it means the sky, i.e., the heavens opened up and it began to rain. You know, the sky opened up and it began to rain. You took it as a religious reference and I wasn't even in that ball park. Quote: Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town That being said, people question those that have found religion after they lead a life of sin all the time. BTW, Vader didn't earn the pass that you say Georgie badly attempted to give him. Why? Vader killed innocent people on a massive scale and all he did by killing the Emperor was continue killing to achieve his objective. You know, he had to save his son so he went back to his old stand by move. Vader gets mad and Vader kills someone. Quote: Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town Seriously, you are going to give that much credit to a guy who thought it was a good idea to placed a character named Jar Jar Binks into his films? Which brings me right back to,  |
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| I think I said what I had to say and its enough...incidentally yes, heavens plural...I did get it...you are utterly condescending to people in your responses. But understand you said RISE..to the heavens, just as in Christian beliefs the dead RISE to the heavens..or heaven. the singular or plural semantics dont save your point......rise, ascend, they are all terms implying the dead RISE...heaven, heavens, none of that even was the point. You claim you aren't even in that ball park and perhaps that is your intent, but your word useage and terms suggest otherwise, regardless your possible goal. As for questioning people that change to a different set of religious beliefs, I know what I would tell you if you imposed your questions into my decisions ...if killing is your reason for comdemning vader, watch the movies again and count the gratuitous deaths attributable to our heroes....death star explosion..how many dead...millions? that moral high ground is kinda spongy..but if Vader murdered masses so did many others considered the heroes. and for the record, when you use mocking memes and words like seriously to berate and belittle others, you honestly do not deserve the effort to respond to. A lot can be said for a civil and decent conversation, but I wish you would knock the snark and rudeness off . thanks |
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| Oh joy, someone else who wants to twist what I wrote. Please continuing to defend the man that brought us all Jar Jar and used or OK’d questionable stereotypes to define characters in his movies. I’ll be more than happy to not join the discussion or thread you start about how wonderful he is and the interpretation of the spiritual message he was giving the masses in the Phantom Menace or Return of the Jedi. |
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| its not me twisting your words here, its that your words are twisted, thanks. be well, and perhaps when you wish to have an adult Noone that condescending, rude, and insulting really deserves the effort I have spent explaining my point honestly | ||
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| Dude, you stated that I attacked religion. Your viewpoint or attempt to twist my post into an attack on religion is beyond the pale. I’d be the last person to attack any religion. Some of my relatives have been put in jail in other countries for spreading the word where it was against the law. If you want to attempt to throw shade on my comment about those that question people that find God or are born again then maybe you need to go to a few parole hearings and then sit in on what that board chats about while making their decisions on who gets out and who doesn’t. They question everything about the inmate before them. |
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| Where exactly please dids I say this ..that you attacked religion. Please show me. I will wait thanks | ||
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| JUST STOP! If you want to carry on a conversation about the religious overtones of Star Wars, start your own thread. |
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| Sorry. Forgot this was your own thread. My fault | ||
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| Garfield! | ||
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| Whoops, this is not the adult conversation you are looking for. | ||
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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@DrWatson ha! |
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| We should bring back @DarthLego and clear all this up! | ||
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| It would be kind of a boring forum if the threads didn't take some twists now and then that result in disagreements. Although at this point I'm a little confused who is making what argument and what the disagreement is exactly. I could probably forgive Darth Vader quicker than I could forgive the casting director who gave us the Anakin Skywalker of Episodes II and III. |
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| Ebayseller, all I had tried to do was suggest that in Star wars the thematic concepts that exist are somewhat told in the same way as the biblical story or share common elements. I had then offered it did not seem odd that Vader could just "flip" and turn to the good side and be forgiven, as that is how religious beliefs work even in our own world...similar to the example of the serial killer I provided. Simple atonement. All was posted in response to others existing discussions. A single example of a non existent scene was given to suggest I had to of course be entirely wrong, despite years of interviews and comments , even books written on that very topic as I provided links to support. That is really all....apparently at some point it was then determined I was accusing people of attacking this and doing that and I might have even been responsible somehow for the US Cole Bombing, world trade center and easter becoming a war on Ishtar. Honestly I offer if I begin a thread its given purpose is to provoke discussion on all viewpoints and all ideas and concepts of that topic...rather than limit it ONLY to what I feel is germaine. While some enjoy a lively discussion and attempt to participate, others seem to want to mock and complain if someone dares to have an idea, opinion or to offer a counter view. It is simple intolerance , when someone feels that they alone can determine what others can say, do or how they should accord themselves . Fair enough, I left the discussion to those who wish to fall within the areas of the discussion the op feels are legitimate and within his given bounds. Forgive me for having expressed any views or opinions on this matter within a discussion thread, my mistake, and goodnight to all. |
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| Ok. Here's my idea on the story. Rey is a clone and was an student of the Emperor (Force Ghost). This is why she can't remember her parents or anything else. The Emperor learned how to transfer his soul from his old master Darth Plagueis, before he killed him. His soul is currently residing in a statue and is waiting for the right moment to possess Rey's body. After he possesses Rey, Kylo Ren and her battle. She then regains brief control over her body and they both destroy the statue that once held the Emperors soul, then she ask Kylo Ren to kill her while fighting to maintain control over her body, while the Emperors soul is still inside her. Kylo hesitates but strikes, both Rey and the Emperor dies. Kylo Ren Skywalker is the last Jedi and continues to finish what his Grandfather started so long ago but dies from the wounds he recieved while fighting the possessed Rey.... They celebrate, Force ghost galore, everyone's happy, the end. |
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2 things come to mind... or  |
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| I'm indifferent, but always hopeful. | ||
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