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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater This seems like a good description of every Star Wars fan who likes the original trilogy and not a single thing since. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk That seems to be a good description of someone that was incorrect while attempting to paint another poster as something they aren’t due to the baggage they bring to the table. |
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| I wasn't meaning to insult, @Towmater . You don't have to go far on the internet, not even beyond this thread, to find lots of Star Wars fans who apparently aren't fans of Star Wars because they don't like where the stories have gone. They are exceptionally proud to say that they aren't going to watch any more until it fits Book X or their mental screenplay. It gets a little old, is all. | ||
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| @xkonk I think you're giving a very generalized and blanket synopsis of the complaints people have with the current movies. I think you're hearing what you want to hear, without actually listening. If you like everything about them, yay. I'm glad you're easy to please. But don't paint the people who are disappointed with a broad brush. The complaints are valid, but keep in mind that not everyone has the ability and/or eloquence to explain what they don't like about them. Add to that the fact that with social media, you see a barrage of hate, much of it lacking a good foundation of communication skills. |
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| I stopped caring after the Last Jedi. That movie gave me nothing to look forward to. I still can't get over the fact that they brought back the 3 main cast members and they never had one scene together. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk This is the second thread in which I have been accused of doing something that I have NOT done due to "whatever other posters" see on the internet, or attempt to taint my post into due to the baggage they themselves bring to the table. As in the other thread, I posted a response. Now, I am lengthening it... I am not a Star Wars fanboy. I haven't watched a Star Wars movie in a theater since the original one came out in the late 1970's. All the others I have caught on video, DVD, Blue Ray, or cable. Rey is an interesting character but her background should have been developed more in the first two movies. We know little to nothing about her background story. Who are her parents? Why is the force so strong in her? Is she Luke's or Leia's child or some other person? We don't know. Why did Kylo freak out so much when he heard about a female being around BB8? Again, we don't know and that is bad or lazy character development by the writers and the film maker(s). I guess all will be revealed in the movie about to come out. However, I'd be more emotionally invested in Rey if I knew who her parents were and why they dumped her on some planet when she was a child. While I like Rey, my post was an attempt to provide a plot to a movie I'd go see by killing her off. Not because I dislike her nor am I misogynist who dislikes female heroes. I'm just not that emotionally invested in what happens to her due to the lack of her character's background development in the first 2 movies. My plot would have been something that the studio would not do because it would limit their ability to dust off "known" characters to make more money off them by bringing them back in later films, a la Lando, Luke, Han, or Leia. In other words, it would have been refreshing as it would have come out of left field and been unexpected. Also, my ending fit into the "rise" part of the movie's title as all the generations of the Skywalker family spirits would have risen to the heavens as the movie faded to a black screen and the credits rolled. I hope I have provided a better view into my original post in this thread so any and all can understand it. Also, I hope all my posts will not be twisted again. |
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| @SteveRicketts @Towmater I have two thoughts in mind. One is that like Steve said the internet broadly, and especially in shorter formats like quick forum posts, doesn't convey much context or nuance. There's certainly a segment out there that hates the more recent Star Wars films basically for whatever nerd credit you get for being a person who hates the more recent Star Wars films. It's hard to tell that person from someone who just didn't like them when you just have a few sentences to go on. I find that kind of gatekeeping in general to be obnoxious, and the part of @Towmater's post that I quoted struck me as summarizing that line of thought even if he didn't mean it that way. The other is just the general tendency for people to volunteer how much they don't like something. The phrase I've tried to take to heart is "don't yuck my yum", which is just the idea that if you like something and it doesn't hurt anyone, why should I criticize it? What's the contribution, or the upside? There's enough going on in the world, why not let people enjoy Star Wars or whatever and save your energy for something else. But again, I didn't mean to offend. @Towmater has a solid position on what he'd like to see in the next movie and people are allowed to not like things. If people's yum is to be disappointed about Star Wars, I'll stop yukking it. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk Well said!!!!!  |
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| Do people who become one with the force..."rise to the heavens" or wasnt the point they then become somewhat universal and surround you?Is god and heaven still a thing in a universe controlled by mitichlorean thingies? Something I never thought of till now | ||
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| @Darkseid_of_town I am pretty sure there is no heaven in hell in the Star Wars universe. When you die, you just become one with the force. |
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| @Darkseid_of_town I've got a theory about the mitichlorians - or however it's spelled. This was my initial thought back when I saw Phantom Menace in 1997, and I've clung to it ever since. Given that it's just plain dumb to have the things control Force ability (if they did, why don't people inject them?), I think they're a life form that's attracted to Force sensitivity, that they're a harmless little microscopic symbiote that takes up residence in the body of a Force user, and the stronger you are, the more of them are attracted to you. You could then roughly determine someone's Force potential through indirect measurement by looking at how many of the little buggers there are, but ultimately their presence or absence has nothing to do with someone's Force power. This may be entirely against canon, but I don't care. |
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| The thing that also enters the discussion is remember when she was going to give birth to Annakin...she said there was no father, nothing...the immaculate conception, just like ..umm some other beliefs systems offer. So are the little mitiwhatchamacallits also capable of ….fertilizing an embryo >? |
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| I Loved "The Force Awakens". Then "Rogue One", a brilliantly crafted puzzle piece to fit between Episode 3 and Episode 4 set my expectations sky-high. "The Last Jedi" then disappointed me from start to finish on so many levels. I left the theater feeling like it had been created by the Bizarro version of the same talent that had created the previous two. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by CatCovers Quote: Originally Posted by GAC Oooo OOOO I get it ..like the shark and the remora, the wampyri and its human host *Necroscope* for the record my nephew is a huge fan and I buy him lots of books and memorabilia and while I cant stand the franchise, I dont want to yuck his yum... so I have been very supportive, but I had to draw a line in the sand when they killed my boy SOLO in such a sorry way by a whiney ass biatch who was actually worse then Jar Jar Binks EDIT -I almost forgot “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” "The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing" |
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| The reason why I don't get into new star wars is none of the characters are relatable... when i was young, I really associated with the way luke wanted to be a hero but had all these obstacles to overcome with his never give up spirit . As got older han became more interesting as he tried to get by earning a crust , dodging debts and trying to get some action on the side. Obi wan was a down to earth mentor and Yoda was an inspiration that taught me how to simplify my problems to core reasoning. Likewise leia was a strong , take action , inspirational female lead ... They all had struggles and those struggles developed through the trilogy and all the other characters we meet were equally interesting I can't say that about a single character in the new trilogy .. they are all confused messes, especially the way they were built up on awakens and ' subverted ' in last Jedi I don't understand the characters or their motivations , what the first order is , why the resistance is the only group that opposes first order , why leia is involved and can't relate to anybody. Nothing makes sense ... hence it's a bore |
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Quote:Originally Posted by moodswing Which might explain why none of the characters never gave it a second thought when Vader flipped to the light side of the force. Everything was just hunky-dory. The guy had killed children, teens, adults, tortured people, and wiped out planets but he saved his son so it was all good in the Star Wars mythos. I laugh whenever I think about that.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater I like to think yoda and obi wan were like 'wtf .. right we aren't going to make a scene here in front of all these ewoks when you just do the apparition thing and appear uninvited like we are best mates again, so we will play nice until everyone leaves the room ..... and then you are done .. ' I mean if kylo called to him so much but he never came , he may have been eliminated right .. it all fits , right?.... RIGHT ?  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by TowmaterI am not so sure that its as absurd on the face of it as it appears...Consider...isn't that the very method and way it is in conventional religion as well? By example consider Berkowitz, aka the Son of Sam...he was suspected guilty of attacking 16 people, and killing at least six. Prolific serial killer, supposedly instructed by a dog that was possessed by the devil, to kill his victims. He was arrested, tried and found guilty. While serving his sentence, as many inmates do, he found god, and became instead ...."Son of Hope" he was known to tell people who visited him, he was forgiven by god and would be going to heaven right along with his victims. By atonement all things are made right, and that is an underlying tenant in many belief systems. |
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| I also wondered, and please noone get all wound up or anything...no offense is intended to anyones beliefs...but does anyone else see the almost obvious retelling of the story of Jesus in star wars at all? Born of a virgin mother, sent to our world to bring balance and peace, he would give his life to do so...…...Annakin skywalker or Jesus of Nazareth? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town Since you are attempting to equate a religion here and place it in the Star Wars mythos, then I would ask were was the scene in which Vader prays and asks his Lord for forgiveness before he helped Luke? Since that didn't occur your attempt at a parallel between what happened in Star Wars and what happens in a religion here on earth really doesn't stand up. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town I prefer to think she was just lying.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by TowmaterI did not attempt to compare anything, i did compare them.It was the author who placed it within the films context not myself. So let me understand your point...since a single scene you invented yourself does not appear in the movie, you feel that negates my example entirely? This is your basis for denying my comparison between the force and a god, and the events in Annakins life vs a biblical character. I am going to leap to the assumption you have never read the vast amount of material out there in interviews and articles quoting George lucas on this topic then and have managed to miss the fact there are in fact entire books written on the topic....but here are a few links to help you begin your quest. I realize its easy to dismiss an idea because you disagree with it, or because it failed a single test you invented, but that isnt how it works https://www.cnet.com/news/whats-star-wars-about-in-a-word-george-lucas-explains/ https://billmoyers.com/content/mythology-of-star-wars-george-lucas/ https://www.beliefnet.com/faiths/2002/05/the-force-is-with-everyone.aspx https://www.thevintagenews.com/2016/12/23/george-lucas-created-the-concept-of-the-force-to-awaken-spirituality-in-young-audiences/ |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CatCoverslol that has been many peoples answers over the years ….annakin was concieved from a lie! |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town Maybe you should 1) pump the brakes, and 2) reread the post I was responding to that you wrote. You know, the stuff you were attempting to sell about Vader and the Son of Sam. You know, the criminal you threw out there that says that he is "born again". Maybe you should look into how one becomes born again, and how one gives oneself to Jesus after leading a horrible life, atoning for those sins, and the journey that takes one upon. Then help me understand how Vader is the same even though we don't have a scene in which he reflects on the sins he has committed in his life, the path he follows, and the actions he takes to be redeemed. I guess, in your world one just act atones for all the horrible things that Vader did. I guess that works for the other people that think Vader is a hunky-dory guy because he saved Luke too. However, Vader killed children when he took out the Tuskin Raider's village, when he killed the Padawans, and when he stood by and did nothing when Alderaan was destroyed. A simple change of heart because his own child's life was at risk doesn't seem like he was looking for salvation. To me it look like he just wanted his boy to live. Nothing more, and nothing less. Like I stated, your mileage is different than mine and if Georgie boy wanted me to see something different then he should have written a better script to make me understand what he was attempting to do. |
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| Okay so lets pump the brakes and let you catch up and understand my point I made...Your post regarding how they all appear together and "rise to heaven" is itself a religions reference.... I will compare what you said to my idea...this was your comment. (pumping brakes vigorously) "Which might explain why none of the characters never gave it a second thought when Vader flipped to the light side of the force. Everything was just hunky-dory. The guy had killed children, teens, adults, tortured people, and wiped out planets but he saved his son so it was all good in the Star Wars mythos. I laugh whenever I think about that." Okay the first part of your post says Vader "flipped" to the light side of the force...much like Son of Sam turned from the demon speaking to him through a dog, to the voice of god in prison....(more brakes pumping) Got it so far? Everything was just hunky dory ….the guy had killed chilren, teens, adults, tortured people and wiped out planets...…(more brake pumping) now lets look at SOn of Sam...using a 44 pistol or knife he attacks, injures and kills. He leaves 6 victims dead. he lacks the ability to destroy planets, but it does appear he somewhat qualifies as murderous, a killer and sadistic to extremes, many of the same tropes associated with Darth Vader....only Son of sam did it himself, not using a laser or Death star...he single handledly slaughtered these people. Once incarcerated he "flipped to the light side side of the force"..he accepted god and became a forgiven man....and when interviewed he often made the specific comment he would be side by side in heaven with his victims. Much like Vader stood side by side with Obi wan whom he seemingly cut down earlier in the film storyline...etc. Enough brake pumping? Do you get the comparison I made yet? |
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| For me, after RETURN OF THE JEDI I just couldn't really get into the plots. Looking back I can't figure out if it was the writing, poor casting or just simply because I just got older and didn't give a sh*t. The new characters they introduced did nothing for me. Maybe they should have stopped after the first 3. | ||
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| "Maybe you should look into how one becomes born again, and how one gives oneself to Jesus after leading a horrible life, atoning for those sins, and the journey that takes one upon. " maybe you should avoid attempting to insult others knowledge about god, religion and atonement. How about that? Its a rather poor and weary method of attacking a point in an argument to insult, but so common. "Then help me understand how Vader is the same even though we don't have a scene in which he reflects on the sins he has committed in his life, the path he follows, and the actions he takes to be redeemed. " We dont have a single scene, we have an entire movie where there are multiple scenes where vader questions his choices, his actions and finally chooses a different path..in fact its central to the entire storyline. I am unsure how anyone could have missed all of them, but yes, vader does question himself often and second guess his path. "I guess, in your world one just act atones for all the horrible things that Vader did. " Judgemental and attempting to assign what happens "in my world" has little to do with what happened in Darth Vaders or son of sams. Still look again at muy comparison...Vader destroys the emperor...act of atonement 1....vader then turns to the good side of the force....act 2.... Son of sam turns to god...atonement...so yes, in my world, actually the murderers one act is supposedly enough where vader took two steps. "I guess that works for the other people that think Vader is a hunky-dory guy because he saved Luke too. However, Vader killed children when he took out the Tuskin Raider's village, when he killed the Padawans, and when he stood by and did nothing when Alderaan was destroyed. A simple change of heart because his own child's life was at risk doesn't seem like he was looking for salvation." Salvation? that wasnt even the entire point being made...Vader turned because he realized he had been tricked, lied to and used his entire life. He did not turn to the force for salvation, he turned to the force because he realized it was his true path.He even said he wanted to die as himself, not Darth vader in asking his mask to be removed. he wasn't seeking salvation, he just wanted his life and death to have the correct meaning Son of sam appears to be using salvation as a method pf coping with his acts and dealing with his reality...there is nothing that will save him from that. he is currently serving six life sentences. "To me it look like he just wanted his boy to live. Nothing more, and nothing less. Like I stated, your mileage is different than mine and if Georgie boy wanted me to see something different then he should have written a better " georgie did not intend to hand you all the pieces..he meant to give you something to think and compare what you had seen with. he meant to provoke thought and entertain...it isnt his job to deliver the entire message, only to get you interested, the rest is on you. |
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| Incidentally when he flipped to the light side of the force and none of the characters even gave it much thought....in the real world, when someone changes their mindset and decides to walk with god, do we question their choices or accept them as being best for that person and their fair choice to make......in my experience you not only do not question it, you accept it and you allow them the right and freedom to make that choice. | ||
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| @Darkseid_of_town The quote was "...the generations of the Skywalker family spirits would have risen to the heavens..." That is plural. Quote: Originally Posted by Towmater Great, you didn't understand the meaning of the word as I was using it. When I use the plural it means the sky, i.e., the heavens opened up and it began to rain. You know, the sky opened up and it began to rain. You took it as a religious reference and I wasn't even in that ball park. Quote: Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town That being said, people question those that have found religion after they lead a life of sin all the time. BTW, Vader didn't earn the pass that you say Georgie badly attempted to give him. Why? Vader killed innocent people on a massive scale and all he did by killing the Emperor was continue killing to achieve his objective. You know, he had to save his son so he went back to his old stand by move. Vader gets mad and Vader kills someone. Quote: Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town Seriously, you are going to give that much credit to a guy who thought it was a good idea to placed a character named Jar Jar Binks into his films? Which brings me right back to,  |
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| I think I said what I had to say and its enough...incidentally yes, heavens plural...I did get it...you are utterly condescending to people in your responses. But understand you said RISE..to the heavens, just as in Christian beliefs the dead RISE to the heavens..or heaven. the singular or plural semantics dont save your point......rise, ascend, they are all terms implying the dead RISE...heaven, heavens, none of that even was the point. You claim you aren't even in that ball park and perhaps that is your intent, but your word useage and terms suggest otherwise, regardless your possible goal. As for questioning people that change to a different set of religious beliefs, I know what I would tell you if you imposed your questions into my decisions ...if killing is your reason for comdemning vader, watch the movies again and count the gratuitous deaths attributable to our heroes....death star explosion..how many dead...millions? that moral high ground is kinda spongy..but if Vader murdered masses so did many others considered the heroes. and for the record, when you use mocking memes and words like seriously to berate and belittle others, you honestly do not deserve the effort to respond to. A lot can be said for a civil and decent conversation, but I wish you would knock the snark and rudeness off . thanks |
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