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 You do know that the new guy brings the donuts, right?
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Quote:Originally Posted by GACLooks like @GAC just came up with the new CBCS corporate slogan.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DWeeB1967 Or "Better a TAT-Delay than a newton ring in the way" |
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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Quote:Originally Posted by KYoung_1974 I like it!! But the truth is CBCS is killing it on TATs and CGC has TAT delay AND Newton rings in the way. CGC value tier is running at 22+ weeks. Wait a helluva long time for those newton rings!!! lol!  |
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 Thank you sir. May I have another?
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Quote:Originally Posted by Lonestar If the situation were TRULY flipped, then CBCS would be the older company, and so yes, I do think that because I agree with joosh said about 'the new guys'. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC As long as CGC continues to get more business, it will be a mystery. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O Newton Rings, Wrong Labels, Incorrect Addresses, Authenticated-Printed Sigs... slab customers do put up with a lot. Heck, I recently bought a WBN 32 CBCS slab that has Puddling on the back cover. I forgot to start a thread about that. I think I still need to get some pics of it in Imgur. |
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 I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery.
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| Without a registry, there's no need to get useless issues graded by CBCS. | ||
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Siggy The fact is these 2 companies grade thousands and thousands of comics between them. The errors encountered I bet represent less than 2%...maybe even less than that. I know any amount of errors should not be tolerated but we are all human and the fact is mistakes WILL happen. For the vast majority they get it right. I have been submitting to CBCS and CGC for over 3 years...80% CBCS...I've probably sent well over 100 books. Not a single error has happened. |
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 -Our Odin-Rest in Peace |
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| Mistakes definitely happen with both companies.What I can't tolerate is CGC's sense of arrogance on this issue. They refuse to listen to their own customers and continue to take a stance that newton rings are normal, not harmful and acceptable. If they are normal, why is CGC the only one with a major problem with them? So, what they mean is that it is normal for CGC slabs. The fact that they are not harmful is good to know but useless information. People are concerned about appearances here. Are they acceptable??? Not to a lot of collectors and the number is growing the longer this goes unfixed. Yet, everything is ok because CGC says so. Sorry, I don't drink that kool-aid. Slab fanatics tend to be independent and opinionated people on any other aspect of the hobby. Bring up pressing, restoration, conservation, allowable defects, how much does "xx" effect the grade, etc etc, and you will get a ton of opinions. Ask about newton rings to a CGC guy and chances are you will get the company line. "They don't harm anything. It is an optical illusion. There are tolerable amounts." I'm thinking CGC is sending out cue cards with all completed submissions so that their customers know how to answer anyone. For such an independent assortment of individuals to circle the wagons on this single issue is baffling. Thankfully the tide is changing slowly now. People are actually finally getting tired of them and voicing their frustration. |
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| I agree! Newton rings aren't a mistake. A mistake is an undesirable, unexpected event in your process. CGC consciously and deliberately chooses to sell an inferior slab and tells you it's fine. That's way worse than making errors. That's a fundamental philosophical difference in your corporate attitude. | ||
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 Please continue to ignore anything I post.
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| Trouble is the look. And a lot of sellers use cgc to sell books. A non clear look of a book thru a plastic case can hurt a potential sale. | ||
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| it's weird that collectors (as a whole) don't pick up on these things. I believe CBCS grades more accurately, has a superior slab both visually and practically. The slab is obviously clearer, sleeker (less chunky), and the CBCS label is way nicer looking. As a company, far more responsive to customers (label design change: out with the rivets).The VSP program is fantastic etc. | ||
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| I haven't gotten Newton rings in my CGC slab since last holiday season or at least extremely noticeable ones....I guess I'm lucky? I'd love to see a pic of a 2019 slab with newton rings. | ||
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 I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie.
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| I know this is off topic, but will CBCS ever offer a membership tier similar to CGC where you pay $150 for a membership and get $150 to use on grading for any tier. Seeing as how I don't care if I have to wait a few more weeks or even a few more months for my comic books I have no incentive to buy a membership that provides coupons for fast pass, 2 day modern or Rapid for only a few comics especially anytime I submit I plan on submitting at least 10 comics. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by teacha777 I got this back from cgc a few months ago. the picture was taken not to highlight the newton rings but you can see them around the Human Torch near Subby.  |
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 I live in RI and Rhode Islanders eat chili with beans.
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| @flanders - I also wish the membership coupons weren’t so specific. I mean my last order’s TAT was less than two weeks, so who needs fast pass? | ||
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I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie.
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| In my search for a cost on screening a book before encapsulation, I came across an old Q and A from CBCS before they actually opened. The part that I find relevant is the press they created to make the encapsulation. Given the size, weight and such, CGC might have invested heavily and arent willing to order a comparable unit after such a short life span Interesting Case Info: Outer Shell: The outer shell has been designed completely from scratch. We hired an engineer and did a 3D mockup. After approval, we had a 1 ton polished stainless steel mold produced. With that, we produced samples. From the sample, we then started to fine-tune the mold. Every change takes 6 weeks to implement. Welders make changes in the mold, then polish and “harden” it. We made one more minor adjustment last week and are ready to finalize and start producing the final product. Inner Sleeve: The inner sleeve is made of polyester plastic called PETG, which is similar to Mylar. We designed the corners of the plastic interior sleeve to make it conducive to holding a comic. We measured multiple comics for length, width, and depth. So far, we have created 9 different sizes; we plan to have 25 different sizes to accommodate a variety of comic sizes. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by teacha777 This one was shared in the CBCS Collectors Club on Facebook today.  |
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 past performance is no guarantee of future actions.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O That is beyond nasty |
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Quote:Originally Posted by dpiercy My trick to removing newton rings without leaving scratches-  Get a $10 phone opening tool - one that has a grip and two suction cups. Use it on your CGC case near where the newton rings are to slightly pull the two halves of the case apart, THEN insert the paper note card. It's worked miracles for me in terms of removing the newton rings without scratching the case. Curiously enough, I posted this tip on the CGC boards and the mods deleted it... |
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Quote:Originally Posted by eee91 Of course they did. You can't have a cure if there's no disease. |
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| my Spawn 1 has a newton ring. Ugh i wish this wasn't even a thing |
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| @eee91 thanks for the tip; ridiculous one has to resort to these methods, but that is helpful. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by teacha777 I'll try to remember to take the pics and send them. I think all my submissions from Orlando Megacon 2019 had newton's rings. |
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 I hear their hourly rate is outrageous!
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| @eee91 "...Curiously enough, I posted this tip on the CGC boards and the mods deleted it..." Here is what I stated and believe in an earlier post on this discussion. "Great easy solution but I don't think CGC is down with explaining how to "fix" their holders." I think your experience proves this. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O How is this not different from CBCS suggesting to use a can of air and blow out the sides of debris or plastic shavings inside CBCS cases? |
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I hear their hourly rate is outrageous!
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Quote:Originally Posted by kaptainmyke Never heard of this before, interesting. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by kaptainmyke Not that different but is that as pervasive an issue as the rings?? I've had rings from CGC but never debris from CBCS |
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