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Dshel61 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| What are your thoughts on lines and marks made to a book during the printing process? Should it effect the grade? Or is it considered just part of the book and overlooked? | ||
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| It's a defect and affects the grade. | ||
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| I've heard some common defects don't affect the grade, but I think that's ridiculous. A flawed book is a flawed book - it doesn't matter where the flaw comes from. IMO. | ||
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| Printing defects are awesome! I love them! Nothing better than a Charlton without of square trim or bad coalation with a raw edge on interior page surprise, or folded down corner diamonds. Pull them off? Oh so tempting... better yet color plate slips shifting the panels to 3d, get your glasses! A reminder of the process... |
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comic_book_man private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @Dshel61 lowers grade, increases value (uniqueness/rarity) | ||
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| I think the policy of grading companies to not let a defect hit the grade if its a common enough issue with the manufacturing is dumb .. | ||
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
here is my printing error book. I don't believe this type of printing error impacts grade. |
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BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by comic_book_man A print error is one thing. A print defect (Print Lines, Print crease etc..) that lowers the grade most certainly does not increase value. That's just plain silly. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Turbo And we have a WINNER! The biggest debate comes over the mis-wrapper covers, which most certainly effects the grade a half point to a full grade depending on the severity if Im grading the book. I despite ugly mis-wraps and avoid them like the plague. I would NEVER buy a high grade 9.2 -9.8 book that is mis-wrapped |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC As I said a Printing Error (Mis-Spelling, etc..) and Printing Defect are two differnt things. Printing defect(Crease, Print lines etc..) Something that physically effects the book. OK I give up on the Sandman Book. Something mis-spelled? Wrong Names? Im assuming its some type of "Typo" and not a physical defect? |
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CEPubDude private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Cover color should be blue as I recall. Not purple.? | ||
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BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by CEPubDude So A Printing Error.... Not A Physical Defect |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944 This is where semantics enter the fray. The example of the Sandman being the wrong hue is perfect for this discussion: The colour seen here is the colour presented by the printing press, so how can it be a defect, an error perhaps however it is what the press gives as a final product. Same with missing staples and extra covers; these are special and rare perhaps thereby being something of a desirable item. |
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| The OP ask: Quote: Originally Posted by Dshel61 My answer: Quote: Originally Posted by GanaSoth Colors and or misspellings were brought up by another member of the board and are a different defect. If the structural integrity of the comic is not damaged, then colors or misspellings will not hender the grade. Most of the time, these kinds of defects attract collectors to search out and acquire said books over the normal copies. |
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If we're just going on printing defects like colors or weird lines that show up, I can live with that for the most part. I've seen the FF 110 error in shops before. What I gather is that it's a fairly common print error.  An early Dazzler issue also has an error where two pages are printed without color, and I believe that one is fairly common too. If we're not taking into account other manufacturing errors like missing staples, the dreaded printer crease, etc, I can live with coloring errors but I also don't go out of my way for them. I think the only production error book I own is a Thor 137 without a top staple or the holes for a staple. I didn't seek it out, I threw $5 on the counter and walked out with a run filler copy. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GACI am unsure I consider a simple lowering of the pigment level in the ink an all out printing error....there are dozens of examples of this in different books. Also worth noting that while this variant doesn't alter the grade, it does affect the price, as it is multiples less common than the regular blue cover and sells for a premium as much as 4 or more times the value of the blue in corresponding grade. |
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| Depends on the severity but some mis-wraps I don't mind. A think white line and straight is ok by me. I have an All Star Comics #58 that I forgot is pretty nasty - will have to scan in when I get home. Was thinking oh yeah I already have this book! good thing since it is getting pricey in higher grades so I wanted to check again what condition mine was in only to pull it out and go..oh yeah  my copy is funky |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944 Yes, I agree. I was thinking more like print defects that are unique and rare like missing ink colors or a page printed sideways, etc. Like a uniquely struck coin. Things that arent appealing to look at like lines and creases should decrease the value and the grade. |
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oh the humanity!!!! just horrible!!!!   maybe 7.5? at least the disfigurement doesn't do too much damage in this grade zone plus side??? given when I bought this I don't think I paid more than $20 Canadian Pesos!!!  |
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| I don't like lines, scuffs etc... isn't that an issue with Immortal Hulk #1? I have a few comics with streaks across them (in white) and missing ink around the staples that are manufacturing errors and I've seen them graded without a knock to the assigned grade. I hate that. I don't care if it impacted every single issue printed, if there's color rub, a white cover with black all over it, streaks from the printing process etc...that should be part of the grade. it impacts the direct aesthetics, or the story (married pages, missing pages, blank pages, mis-aligned interior pages) it should count against the grades. As far as miswraps, as long as the whole front cover is intact and not trimmed off during the manufacturing process I don't care. Misspellings, I don't care. It likely does not impact the story, or having the complete cover artwork. I'm torn on covers printed with the wrong color. In the case of the Sandman, I don't care, but that fantastic four can suck it. if I bought a 9.8 unseen of that comic and it came with the color flaw I'd be pretty irritated. |
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| I noticed on supergirl 7 down to the right page side, of the front cover, many copies have a small line from folding that runs horizontaly into the artwork for a few inches. I was also thinking of Daredevil 168 and what a pain it was sometimes to find copies that did not have an ink smear from her leg or his weapon across the field of lightning streaks |
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| If the same defect can be found on practically every copy of a given book, they’re typically much more lenient about that specific defect. Of course, it depends on the extent of the defect. My Spidey 361 has rather noticeable printer pull on the bottom of the back cover & still got a 9.8 from CGC. I was pleasantly surprised. |
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| @KatKomics Yikes! That's a hell of a miswrap. | ||
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BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by etapi65 I very much agree we you on that FF cover. Its just way to extreme. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CatCovers I ABSOLUTELY HATE miswraps! Techniquely it doesn't effect the grade, but it most certainly effect the eye appeal of the book, at least for me. I would not have any interest at all in a miswrapped book regardless of the grade. |
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I doubt the "Director Of Art" was too happy about this. OO (OSCAR COMICS #25) mm |
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 Thank you sir. May I have another?
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Quote:Originally Posted by etapi65 I try to avoid crooked miswraps whenever possible. I'd rather have a 9.6 straight miswrap over a 9.8 crooked every day. I'm "okay" with straight miswraps as long as everything that was inteneded to be seen is still on the cover.  |
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