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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater Sure, maybe. That's why I said "IMO" ... it is my opinion that he, like Walmart did even though retailers had been around for a hundred years, could make more money by charging less. It is my opinion that Neal is trying to push the market higher on signatures. That's why he is always encouraging other creators to charge more, too. He does that by raising his prices and he gets frustrated that other creators don't follow suit. Or maybe he just doesn't like the assembly-line process of having 10x the number of customers? Or maybe, as someone else suggested, he is trying to limit the number of Neal Adams signatures out there, to keep them special? Regardless, yes, I think he could do better with a different strategy. Quote: Originally Posted by Towmater Jim Lee and his signature is not really on my radar. His art is fine, great even, but it's not my favorite style, usually, and his is not one I'm interested in getting. So I don't have an opinion about how much he charges. I like his backpack, though. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater I think Stan's last public appearance was an Ace convention in Arizona in January of 2018. He was charging $110, same as he was charging the previous summer in Las Vegas (though ACE was much more organized than Las Vegas, which was a total shit storm that year). He looked miserable and was escorted out early on Saturday shortly after signing my book. Both signatures I have were pretty scribbly compared to earlier autographs that you find; his handlers, I feel, were milking him dry. Neil signed two of my books this past summer and was happy to tell stories. He was telling me about his Sports Illustrated cover he was happy to do and told me he was paid tens of thousands of dollars for it. He isn't shy about telling you he is doing things to get paid, but at the same time answered my questions politely. I read he was doing the design of Iron Man for a movie they attempted in the early 90s and he confirmed the rumor and filled me in on the details. He was not getting a lot of traffic, though Roy Thomas was and he was only charging $20-25. I guess it's all how you look at the amount of traffic you want to deal with throughout the day. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater Jim who? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Tedsaid This. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Siggy Doesn't bother me because: 1) I don't buy signatures and don't want them in many cases. Despite that, I think I have around a dozen items signed by him. I've never asked to buy his signature. I buy a product of his and he's always signed it for free. 2) The flipper will have to mark it a higher price than what you pay to make any profit. That will help assure that what you paid holds it's value. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Siggy The price is the price. One either pays it or they don't regardless of one's intent at the time of purchase. Situations can change. The cgc and CBCS have turned creator signatures into a commodity. Hundreds of artists and writers have gotten the shaft from publishers for years. It's about time they have a way of extending their shelf-life once the phone stops ringing for series work. |
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| Jim Lee did a LCS signing a couple of years ago near me...charged nothing. I paid $99.00 for a Jim Lee meet and greet that included a pic with Jim, 5 things signed and a poster (also signed). Plus, I got to speak with him and not have to wait in line. I haven't seen a mention of a cost of Jim Lee, just a vague mention of his prices. I was more than happy to pay what was just under $20 per sig and consider the rest of it free; including not having to wait in line. | ||
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 It was a one trick pony show but always hilarious.
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| "...Hundreds of artists and writers have gotten the shaft from publishers for years. It's about time they have a way of extending their shelf-life once the phone stops ringing for series work." This is really the heart of the matter. Neal Adam's is old enough to have seen the screw jobs up close. He campaigned heavily on behalf of Jack Kirby because of the injustice occurring to him. They won't get screwed again. |
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| Which well known comic book artist was it that went back to school later in life to get certified to teach art in order to have a job? | ||
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It was a one trick pony show but always hilarious.
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| hmmmm...I know Kubert has an art school but not sure if that's who you're referring to. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson That's fair. As for myself, it keeps me from participating in either SS program, aside from the two "novelty" submissions I did here a couple months ago, but I didn't pay for the sigs anyway. I do plan [hope] to keep my collection intact, so either way I have the books. I may as well keep them raw and use the money saved for something else. |
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| I like graded books, but collecting was a lot more fun before everything became plasticized. | ||
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| @EbaySeller I agree but I'm also kinda on the fence since there is only a finite amount of time these legends are going to exist, $50 seems small on the grander scale...but for a $15 comic to he signed yeah, pass. | ||
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 I hear their hourly rate is outrageous!
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbaySeller @EbaySeller, Have you read this article? https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/marvel-legend-jim-steranko-picks-his-top-5-covers-to-celebrate-his-birthday It has an Interview with Jim Sterano's top five (favorite) covers. They may or may not be his "favorite" covers but since the came to his mind so quickly, he is at least intimately familiar with them, and maybe his favorites; Here they are in a nutshell: NICK FURY, AGENT OF S.H.I.E.L.D. #6 - NOVEMBER 1968 X-MEN #50 - NOVEMBER 1968 NICK FURY, AGENT OF S.H.I.E.L.D. #5 - OCTOBER 1968 CAPTAIN AMERICA #111 - MARCH 1969 NICK FURY, AGENT OF S.H.I.E.L.D. #7 - DECEMBER 1968 I personally only have X-men 50 and Captain America 111 w/Steranko's autograph. I may try for the others if I can find them at a reasonable price and have him sign them also. |
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I hear their hourly rate is outrageous!
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson I'll give you that one. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Tedsaid Just about all posts on a forum are opinions. Also, did Neal advise you that's why he gets frustrated that other creators don't follow suit and raise their prices or is that your opinion on his actions? Quote: Originally Posted by Tedsaid OIC, you only make decisions on what autographs are over priced, price correctly, or under priced if you have an interest in adding them to your collection. I appreciate you helping me see where your opinions are coming from. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater Not exactly ... I said he's not on my radar. That just means I don't have enough information and I'm not likely to gather any. I've never seen (or noticed) him at a con, so I don't know how busy he is or how long the lines are. If the lines are long, he is likely undercharging. If they are non-existent and no one is visiting his table - like I've seen with Neal at times, and other artists such as Don Rosa - then it is likely he is over charging. (Though with Don it may be because he can be a little bit prickly sometimes.) $50 is more than I will pay. But I know he is popular, so I can't extrapolate from that and say he is overpriced. A lot of people may be perfectly willing, even eager, to pay that. I don't know. It's not worth it to me, certainly. Also, you referred to "the Jim Lee thread." I didn't read that thread. So that's also why I "didn't bat an eye."  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson While this is true, it is not unique to just signatures. Once ANY book is slabbed by a 3rd party grading company it becomes a monetary commodity based on market value, signed or Not. There is simply NO other reason to have a book slabbed other than for Commodity Market value that comes with have it graded and slabbed. I know many will sight other reasons: Preservation, Display etc.. but please we all know deep down that's not really true. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Tedsaid My theory is that Neal Adams is operating on a longer-term plan. He probably isn't looking for the optimal price point to maximize revenue at each individual convention. By setting a minimum value of $50 per signature he is limiting the available quantity of signed items and probably also putting a minimum on the price that sellers would be willing to re-sell his signed items for. Let's say in a year or two he announces that he is no longer signing items for the public. Well he can still keep signing his works privately for sale through his online store or physical location. By charging $50 now he is greatly increasing the likeliness that every time he signs his name it's like printing a $50 bill instead of a $20 bill. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944Again this has been disproven time and again for dozens of reasons and is only an opinion which you are welcome to of course, but anyone who is a serious collector knows that its flawed in every aspect . Correct, books can be more easily displayed slabbed. I have a few books on display in my Zatanna corner, including a Supergirl 7, bought as a slab FOR ONLY THAT PURPOSE. One has to but glance at the comic display thread to see how people incorporate slab books into their collections Preservation can also be cited and does apply, some prefer the hard plastic cases and so forth of graded books . While it is not the most price efficient method, some like the peace of mind of also having an established GRADE for a comic provided by AUTHORITIES in the field for peace of mind. Another obvious reason that is not being mentioned here is the simple concept of having the comic checked for restoration, trimming, counterfeiting and finally verifying page count and that the book is authentic and not a married cover and interior, replaced staples, or invisible tear mends, bleaching, etc. Some like to know their comics are genuine, original and not rebuilt, or faked. There are more good reasons I am sure I have missed, among them making a comic much more safe to ship in slab that is then boxed and protected as well. Slabbing and grading was created and serves multiple purposes for many people, despite the effort to imply it only monetizes the comic book. I have read dealers reports in Overstreet that spoke of buying collections where there was a disparity in grading between the dealer and collector, where both parties agreed to have the books graded and slabbed to verify actual CONDITION, which would then be used to determine selling price...thus making the service used to convert the comics to a commodity...but even then you can offer the point that grading and slabbing was only playing referee for how others afterwards chose to use the grading.....and that is what this all boils down to.... how people choose to apply and use grading, vs how some apparently think they should... |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944 Don't be alarmed. I understand exactly what you are saying and you are correct. Restoration check... monetizes the book. Plastic case... you can get them elsewhere. It helps monetize the book. Signatures... it monetizes the book. Otherwise it's just writing. Preservation... you can use other methods such as Mylar bags. |
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| in that case you might as well argue inking the book, printing the book, placing a cover price on the book, drawing the book, distributing the book, selling the book, all are designed to monetize the book.....sort of the problem with failed logic taken to extremes | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Tedsaid you didn't answer my question about Neal's actions in his post. Maybe you missed it too. If 50.00 bucks is the top you'll pay then you can get Jim. Hes $40.00 at the private signing according to what got posted. |
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| Neal Adams and any other comic creator has every right to charge whatever they want for their signature, and you (we) have every right to just say no. This discussion comes up every so often on these forums. As I have related before (and I think some others have posted in this thread already) there are some creators that actually need the money they make from signatures and sketches as they are not actively working in the comic book field any longer. I've had that conversation with some of them at conventions. I get signatures on comics for my personal collection and am happy to pay a reasonable amount. Meeting the creators at conventions is still exciting to me. I always thank them for all the years of joy their stories or art have brought me over the years, especially when I was a kid. Just my 2 cents. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by LonestarI truly agree with these comments, the key being the word reasonable. What some artists or writers feel is reasonable I do not...so I decline. If I feel the price is valid I may buy more than one, even if the total is more than a single signature would have been from the other guy....a lot depends on who it is for me |
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| Let's see if we can get back on topic. Here's my Neal Adams story. I am 59 years old and started "reading" comics before I could read. By the time I was 8 or 9 years old, my father was driving me around to various newsstands once or twice a week to buy comics. Every once in a while he'd take me to a smelly used book store and I'd pick up a stack of back issues. Once I was a teenager, I started going to comic shows every chance I'd get and before long I had a subscription service at my LCS. Then in my late 20's I lost interest and by 1990/1991 pretty much forgot about comics. Life, wife, work, kids, etc. were the main focus. Skip ahead to almost 5 years ago. My son talks me into going to the RI Comic Con. I walk into the main convention center and it's glorious - like I'd been sent back in time. And who's that I see sitting in the corner surrounded by giant posters and prints of his artwork? Neal freaking Adams! As a comic geek in the late 1960's and early 1970's, to me Neal Adams ruled. Kirby was the King, and Stan was the Man, but boy did I idolize Neal Adams' artwork. All those amazing covers - Batman, Brave and the Bold, Strange Adventures/Deadman, House of Mystery, X-Men, Avengers, hell he even made Tomahawk look good! I felt like I was 10 years old again. Of course, I hadn't prepared to meet him - for some reason I didn't even think to see what artists would be there. Heck, I hadn't even bought a comic in like decades. So I go up to a vendor, flip through some comics, and end up purchasing a Conan #37 for like $20. I knew I had that issue at home, along with several hundred other books with Adams covers and interior art, but I HAD to meet this guy and get his autograph. So I waited in line and paid the $30 fee (at the time) to get a chance to do it. Mr. Adams was very pleasant, I told him how much I used to look forward to seeing his work when I was kid, and shook his hand. To be honest, that made my day and probably reset all my collecting buttons and got me back into collecting. Note - Two years later I wanted to relive that experience and brought six or seven comics from my personal collection with me to another convention that Mr. Adams was attending. My intention was to get them signed and submit them to CBCS for Yellow Labels. When I found out that he was now charging $50 per signature I changed my mind and didn't have him sign any of them. Last year, however, I did get my GL #76 and Batman #232 signed by both Neal Adams and Denny O'Neil at a Con in Connecticut (couldn't miss getting both those guys on the same comic - epic). I bought both of those issues new off the spinner rack when they came out; in fact, the GL #76 came out just a month or two before by 10th birthday. I had CBCS witness both signatures for Yellow Labels (somehow they misspelled O'Neil on the #76). I might get another book or two signed by Mr. Adams in the future (Batman #227 perhaps?). By the way, relax John and others who don't want their comics defaced, since these are primarily books I purchased as a kid, they are mid-grade copies; I would not have a high grade SA key signed. I have also gotten signatures from some other artists, like Joe Sinnott and Jim Steranko. I will seek out the older ones that I enjoyed, not because I want to profit from their signatures when they pass, but to say thank you and let them know that their work was and is appreciated by a whole generation of comic book enthusiasts. |
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| Awesome story Ed....I wish I would have met Kirby in person , and I never met Stan either. Adams doesn't do much for me, unless its his covers in the fourth world trilogy like Jimmy olsen, in particular. Would be what I chose if I bought his signature on something, that or Justice League America 94...…….. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by esaravo Just want to agree with Ed on him being pleasant. A few years ago at the Baltimore Comic Con, CBCS had a dinner Saturday night after the convention was finished for the day, and Neal Adams and his wife were the guests. It was a small affair, probably only about 25 of us total, including several CBCS employees including Steve Borock himself. I was lucky to sit at Mr. Adams table and talk with him before, during and after dinner. He was extremely pleasant and I will always treasure that opportunity. I don't own any Neal Adams signed comics and probably won't as I don't want to pay the $50 fee, but I don't begrudge him at all for charging what he thinks he can get and what he thinks is fair. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944 I don't like signatures on the covers, but a signature on the first page after the cover I do like. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by brysbI am usually a purist like that myself...always first page . Recently ive gotten to where I will buy two copies of a newer book and let them do the cover, or a low grade signer copy to use just for that, but high grade silver, or golden books nope...right with you |
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