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Now this is funny



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Godwin's Law has been achieved.
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I guess I don't get too worked up about him.

On one hand, I find his outspokenness refreshing and sorely needed. On the other, he benefited greatly from the style over substance fad in the 90s.

And, in many ways, I think Deadpool is a great example of how comic characters evolve. Rob created him as Deathstroke ripoff, and over the years, other artists and writers gave him a personality, and supporting cast.

I mean who created Deadpool? A lot of people, actually.

Part of that shared storytelling.

I'd be curious what he's planning to sue about, as well.

If there's anything that comics has taught me, it's that creators have gotten hosed by the big 2 on a pretty regular basis.
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And, in many ways, I think Deadpool is a great example of how comic characters evolve. Rob created him as Deathstroke ripoff, and over the years, other artists and writers gave him a personality, and supporting cast.

I mean who created Deadpool? A lot of people, actually.

Part of that shared storytelling.


At the risk of derailing the thread again...
I've seen the "who really created Deadpool?" issue come up over and over again but never made the shared storytelling leap to other characters. Like if you ask who created Wolverine I would guess that at least 90% of people would say Len Wein. But if we're going with the Deadpool analogy (that Liefeld shouldn't get credit for creating him) the answer should be Chris Claremont, right?
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Say what you want but the guy has made a pretty decent living doing what he is doing. Obviously people still keep buying his stuff or else he would have faded away already right? I'm not a big fan personally but I have to give him props. If he has a case then by all means he should sue.


Why he's popular now is a mystery to me. Why he was popular in the 90s I think was Universally Perfect timing. Thanks to McFarlane, people were looking for something different. We got it.

Hitler made a pretty decent living at one time too. Just sayin'. LOL


Wow was that a comparison of Hitler to Rob Liefeld? Even jokingly not a bit funny!


You think I'm comparing the people? I'm saying that making a pretty decent living doesn't automatically deserve respect or admiration. At least not from me.
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The curve ball I hit out of the park like this?...


Yep, I saw it. Saw it about as much as I saw pouches on "The Pouch" character Rob came up with to poke fun at those that poke at him.


Just making sure. My post gave mention to the people who replied to the OP's question as well as the banter. Yours seems to dismiss the direct replies altogether, as though you were the only one to reply to the OP.



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Responding to the OP - It would seem that no one has any idea what Liefeld was tweeting about.

That's the way it looked. I'm not saying I'm in your head and know what you meant.
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His only mistake was that he was caught with many swipes. Had he only been honest right from the beginning that he did this or that cover as a homage to say 'x' or 'x' because he's a fan of those, it would have had the complete opposite effect and people would have cherished the books, or his fans at least.

Look what Todd is doing now with Spawn -- all the Spider-man and Superman homage covers. Or what other artists are doing. The only difference is that they're honest about them being homage covers.
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So he burns his bridges with both DC and Marvel? Why?
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The curve ball I hit out of the park like this?...


Yep, I saw it. Saw it about as much as I saw pouches on "The Pouch" character Rob came up with to poke fun at those that poke at him.


Just making sure. My post gave mention to the people who replied to the OP's question as well as the banter. Yours seems to dismiss the direct replies altogether, as though you were the only one to reply to the OP.



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Responding to the OP - It would seem that no one has any idea what Liefeld was tweeting about.

That's the way it looked. I'm not saying I'm in your head and know what you meant.


The quotes you generated are at best speculation. In other words, my post that no one has any idea what Liefeld was referring to in his tweet was spot on. You can got back to your attempts to paint it as something that it wasn't. Let's see, was it trolling, or dismissive or will it be something else in the next post?




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So he burns his bridges with both DC and Marvel? Why?
Egomaniac
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And, in many ways, I think Deadpool is a great example of how comic characters evolve. Rob created him as Deathstroke ripoff, and over the years, other artists and writers gave him a personality, and supporting cast.

I mean who created Deadpool? A lot of people, actually.

Part of that shared storytelling.


At the risk of derailing the thread again...
I've seen the "who really created Deadpool?" issue come up over and over again but never made the shared storytelling leap to other characters. Like if you ask who created Wolverine I would guess that at least 90% of people would say Len Wein. But if we're going with the Deadpool analogy (that Liefeld shouldn't get credit for creating him) the answer should be Chris Claremont, right?


And I would agree with you. Claremont for sure. And others. Who wrote his origin story, where he learned his name was James?

Quick Edit: I want to clarify that in your example it should be Len Wein, Claremont, etc...

And, I can be way off on this, but I just see a lot of people put their stamps on characters. Some not so good, see Punisher killing demons.

Just a hypothesis of mine.
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@Towmater
But people DID have ideas. Maybe one of them was "spot on", how do we know? And they probably didn't assume the OP was directly addressing that forum member Liefeld confides in, so they speculated on the reason.
Public discussions work that way sometimes, don't they?
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@Jabberwookie to be honest I was thinking out loud in part to point out that it's a little silly to say that Liefeld didn't create Deadpool. Of course he did (along with Nicieza) the same way Wein created Wolverine (along with Trimpe). Others may have popularized them or made them into the version of the character that people tend to think of, like Claremont (along with Frank Miller, John Byrne, maybe Jim Lee, Larry Hama, probably some other people) with Wolverine. Unless there was a drastic ret-conning it should be pretty straightforward who created a character.

On the flip side, since comics are shared stories the characters end up belonging to lots of people. Claremont talked about that at a con I went to; there are things that people did with the X-Men that he didn't like but he was never upset (or at least claimed not to be ) because he understands that once someone else starts writing, it's out of his hands.
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The only reason this guy exists/is “relevant” is because people pay attention to him.
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The only reason this guy exists/is “relevant” is because people pay attention to him.


At it must work as we are on the 3rd page of this thread.
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The only reason this guy exists/is “relevant” is because people pay attention to him.


At it must work as we are on the 3rd page of this thread.


And there have been two or three "derailments" already.
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In fairness to RL, I saw a Supergirl convention sketch on the CGC forum years ago that is easily the best thing I ever saw from him. That it was a convention sketch (pretty sure it was, anyway) made it VERY impressive.
I've tried hunting it down a few times, but couldn't.
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@Siggy Just for the heck of it, I google Supergirl sketch by Liefeld and got this:




The second result was one of my favorite DC characters, Starfire:




I don't know about everyone else, but I'd proudly own either one of these!!!!!
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And, in many ways, I think Deadpool is a great example of how comic characters evolve. Rob created him as Deathstroke ripoff, and over the years, other artists and writers gave him a personality, and supporting cast.

I mean who created Deadpool? A lot of people, actually.

Part of that shared storytelling.


At the risk of derailing the thread again...
I've seen the "who really created Deadpool?" issue come up over and over again but never made the shared storytelling leap to other characters. Like if you ask who created Wolverine I would guess that at least 90% of people would say Len Wein. But if we're going with the Deadpool analogy (that Liefeld shouldn't get credit for creating him) the answer should be Chris Claremont, right?



I think Wolfman and Perez should get a little credit for Deadpool, like maybe 95% of Liefeld's credit. He can keep 5% for the costume and changing "Slade" to "Wade".
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The guy does seems like a dillweed, but I don't personally know him.


The "Feet" aside.... I do like a lot of his artwork.


One of my favorites is X-Men #245 (Maybe because there's no feet?)


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It was actually closer in style to the Starfire piece, with the full body in flight with birds and clouds and a smile.
And Starfire's left leg should have fit in the borders, if it weren't at least 6" too long. But from the naughty bits up, this is damned good!
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The feeling I got from Liefeld's art in the 90s before I stopped buying new comics was that it always looked like he waited until he had 3 days before his deadline before he started drawing.
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honestly Liefeld is one of the smartest but not greatest artists. whether he can draw feet or do it on purpose doesn’t matter. he has created a unique style which gives he a lot of publicity - more than he deserves
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The only reason this guy exists/is “relevant” is because people pay attention to him.


At it must work as we are on the 3rd page of this thread.


And there have been two or three "derailments" already.


Derailments are fine. We were informed of that in this very thread. They just can't beat a cow, or something like that.
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I may have inadvertently started the "is he the creator" discussion. I'm not trying to say he didn't create Deadpool. I was simply pointing out that his most famous creation (and likely the only reason he has any relevancy) was a complete rip-off. Something he, himself, proudly claims. 100% a rip-off. And that the popularity of said character doesn't track to his involvement. It's not about credit for creation. It's about the seemingly oblivious way he acts to ownership rights and credit when you consider his path to fame.
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@etapi65 I think others (although maybe that was also you, I don't remember), in other threads, have given credit for Deadpool to Kelly and McGuinness because they created the version of Deadpool that really took off.

The credit part I suppose is debatable, but ownership obviously means a lot to creators. That was the reason behind Image existing, right? I don't fault anyone for being salty over things like that even if we're talking about a derivative character. Lots of characters are derivative.
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@xbonk

I think you and I are on the same page. I may not have explained well, and admittedly, was thinking about how they credit people in the movies.

You know how it’ll say Deadpool created by Liefeld, but later on acknowledge other people who contributed to the storyline they use or supporting cast. That’s what I was thinking of in shared credit.

Anyway, good derailment in my view!
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@Siggy Just for the heck of it, I google Supergirl sketch by Liefeld and got this:




The second result was one of my favorite DC characters, Starfire:




I don't know about everyone else, but I'd proudly own either one of these!!!!!


Those are without a doubt the best things I think I have ever seen from him.
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And in breaking news, Rob Liefield has sued himself . Apparently he is offended by the amount of credit for his creations his inner self takes, without credit to his creative being. As long as the conflict rages, Liefeld has stated flatly he wont be signing anything except other artists work he has copied from. The suit is seeking millions in lost and punitive damages, for how much trauma and glory and fame his inner self has cost his artistic self. Expect news any moment he will also be revealing a new character, Minor X, who will first appear only on random rolls of toilet paper Liefield himself chooses to use.
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ROB Snob Dob

I am just here for the emotional support
and to laugh my ass off at Darkseid.. that was some seriously funny AF sh!t
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