Time to see if CBCS knows Jack..literally...Jack Kirby !10192
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| SO I got ahold of this Last of the Vikings Heroes 8, that I won at auction recently. Those who remember know the book was apparently signed by Jack Kirby and Michael Thibodeux. I intend to send it to CBCS for signature verification with the idea of first attempting to validate as jack Kirby's signature, followed by Rozalyn signing for Jack and finally have Michael Thibodeux's signature checked as well. I am unsure how the process will go and if I have to pay 20 dollars to verify it as Jacks, then another 20 for Rozalyn, and another 20 for Michael Thibodeux. The submission form doesn't seem to allow the possibility of having a signature checked for first one person then anothers signing so it will be amusing to see if I can get that done or what becomes. It is interesting to note the signature seems a match for the type of Jack Kirby signatures seen on Dynamic Forces comics, which CBCS has returned as unverifiable in the past. I bought it and go into this fully expecting the Kirby signature is possibly if not likely Rozalyn signing his name, and the Thibodeux at least hopefully will prove verifiable. I have not gotten my hopes all set on it returning an actual Jack Kirby signature and time will tell...for me its more of ...lets follow this and see what transpires and what can be learned ..so stay tuned. Since the book was published in 1989 and Jack passed in 1994 it wouldnt be surprising if it were an example of Rozalyn "doing her part" Side note I recently read on a web site, regarding Kirbys signing habbits, apparently it was common practice for fans to leave books at Kirbys table to be signed....Roz would say Jack would sign them when he was done working etc. ….at a given point she would take the stack, slip away and sign them all and return them so the fans could come by and get their books. It was also suggested Jack had authorized at least three other people to sign for him at these type things, one of them being Mark Evanier….it makes you wonder how many people are walking around with supposed Kirby signatures that may not pass the test. I do hope the examples that CBCS has on hand were witnessed signings or that they are using examples like documents, checks or so forth...anyways, interesting ride....stay tuned Also food for thought, here is my other signature I always have accepted was likely Kirby's on the splash page of my hulk book. As you can see they have similarities but are also quite unique to one another....    |
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| I had a Kirby signature successfully authenticated by CBCS and it definitely looked a lot more like the Hulk signature. More of the soft curves and loops. Good luck. | ||
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| Last i knew, for one book, $25 first sig, $15 per sig after that. So instead of $60 it could be $55; but if it’s jack vs roz they may just reject the Jack and not say who signed his name. | ||
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 I showed my wife and she was so happy for me she started to cry.
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| That's not Roz who signed it. Looks a legit jack sig. a friend of mine has close to 300 jack Kirby signed books, he's actually writing a book about him now. He's been offered to work at psa/dna but has turned it down because of conflict of interest. So are you going to have your hulk 1 slabbed and verified someday. I'm starting to slab my bigger keys so when it is time to sell in 10-15 years, it will make it easier for me or for my wife | ||
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| Just as soon as I can put hands on enough cash to get the hulk done properly, that is to say verified, cleaned, pressed, and graded that is my intention. It is like 500 bucks at least to get it all done so its been slow progress but soon. I am fairly sure the hulk signature is legit mostly due to timing...the book was bought around 85, and back then signatures just weren't a big deal yet and Jack was still signing and making the rounds. Just no real reason in 1985 to fake his signature...what a difference even ten years would have made obviously. I will be quite amused if the Vikings book comes back as legit ...I won it at auction for a lot less than I would have expected to pay for a valid Kirby autograph. I am kinda of touch and go with it..one day I feel like it could be legit, the next I am sure it was ghost signed …. I may have read your friends information on facebook..I saw a page where the man said he was writing a book that would illustrate how to know kirbys signature, how it had changed over the years, and so forth. Was he able to look at this one and say himself or were you just working from your own vast experience ? |
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| oof, don't know about the Vikings. I don't see anything that screams "fake", but I see what look to be hesitation marks on the "k" in Jack and "r" and "b" in Kirby that can't be explained by writing technique The looping vs not looping is inconsistent in a few of his verified, but the fact there isn't a single loop is a bit odd. There's always the wild-card of type of pen used that could cause that in those spots too, but not sure. But you bring up a good point. Are there samples of known "Roz signed his name" to which to compare? | ||
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I've already shared these with DoT- The 1st is verified by Mike Royer, and shows how JK signed items in the 60's before conventions were the norm. The 2nd is verified by CBCS.  |
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| For reference sake, here's a Roz Kirby- http://www.myslabbedcomics.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=39172&Aux=5682&From=gallery&GSub=1356&GCat=698&UCat=0 Thanks for doing this, Darkseid. Very interested in seeing your results. |
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| Oh dear.... I’ve got his Dynamic Forces Jack Kirby sig in for VSP at the moment...my fingers and everything else are crossed   |
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| Yeah, the dynamic forces ones basically all get rejected. | ||
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I showed my wife and she was so happy for me she started to cry.
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Quote:Originally Posted by no1lufcfan |
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 Your eyes can go crossed staring at these trying to get an answer...but what I see is that Siggy's ( thanks for sharing bud) examples, his Kamandi 1 resembles my hulk signature closely while the other 3, the one known to be Ros, my Vikings signature, and finally the Dynamic forces one all appear to be similar, or that is to say done by Rosiland. @ Etapi 65, I bought the Vikings book knowing the price was likely too good to be true, but if it could be linked to Rosiland it makes a serious collectible ...most dont realize early in their marriage she sometimes even inked for Jack as well as drew some work. I honestly am not holding my breathe mine will clear as a Jack Kirby, but it still might be a Kirby @no1lufcfan I hope yours passes....I have seen other people in the forum post stating their dynamic forces Kirby signatures did not verify.....just lining them up like I did I have to say yours looks a lot like my Vikings book signature and the one that was shared by eee @eee91 Yeah I figured why not..but I hope they are able to either clear it as a Jack Kirby or if not examine it as a Rosiland proxy signature and perhaps get a verification there instead. I consider it all a big experiment and wont get too upset whatever it returns...I am just as excited as you are to see what it does prove up as... I was hoping Steve Borock might interject some thought regarding the process and perhaps suggest if they can or cannot check the signature for first Jack Kirby then Rosiland, before negating a match |
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Interesting thread! I own several Jack Kirby signatures that I purchased and sent to CBCS over the last two years or so. I poured over every single image I could find online of his signature to learn what to look for and what to avoid, how his signature changed over the decades, Roz sigs, eBay fakes etc. Here’s my verified Jack Kirby signatures if you’d like to compare:  |
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The FF#62 was signed by Joe Sinnott in person! Was an honour to meet a comics legend and WW2 Veteran. Here are a few more pics of my other verified Kirby books if you guys are interested:    |
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I showed my wife and she was so happy for me she started to cry.
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  puckwd these up a while ago knowing that ros probably signed them but the envelope from jacks desk was pretty awesome, the back has his address and telephone number |
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| An interesting side note to EEE's post....I just noticed, this is the auction notations for the Book he linked... "Signed by Stan Lee, Larry Lieber and, according to CBCS, Rosalind Kirby signing by proxy for her husband Jack CBCS Grading Notes: STAN LEE & LARRY LIEBER signatures passed by CSA. Jack Kirby signature not passed by CSA, Rosalind Kirby proxy; spine wear and stress breaks color; marvel chips, creases and wear to edges, breaks color; 2/3" top spine split; 1" stain top back cover " That is all highly suggestive that CBCS can indeed distinguish a Jack Kirby from a Rosiland and then verify it as such. It then asks the question, are those submitting Kirby autographs then wiser to suggest if it fails for Jack Kirby to test again against a Rosiland proxy and pay to throw the dice for the verification its her instead of Jack? I would'nt assume they automatically test any failed Kirby signature to see if it was Rosiland instead but if they do, that has some implications for those submitting the failed signatures especially through dynamic forces. I am guessing you have to notify them to test the signature as a Jack Kirby, then Rosiland provided it fails, and if it isn't Rosiland, perhaps Evanier? That could get very complicated assigning just who signed the comic book HA |
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| Seems to me if they're going to make special exceptions to the rule for Kirby sigs, then the verification process should also include exceptions. If they make the choice to accept proxy sigs, you shouldn't have to pay the extra. What (besides integrity) would stop them from saying they checked it against ALL the possible proxy people, and charge you for each one? Meaning, what if it's clearly a Roz sig, but they say they checked it against Kirby AND Evenier too, so you're charged x3? | ||
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| Indeed and if Kirby had four guys plus Rosiland that he allowed to sign for him that's a deep well to empty....at 25 bucks a pop | ||
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| If I read the label in @eee91's picture right, it doesn't mention the Kirby sig at all. So presumably they just sort of let it pass? The signature doesn't pass because it wasn't Kirby, but it was a well-known exception so it doesn't affect the grade? | ||
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| "Signed by Stan Lee, Larry Lieber and, according to CBCS, Rosalind Kirby signing by proxy for her husband Jack CBCS Grading Notes: STAN LEE & LARRY LIEBER signatures passed by CSA. Jack Kirby signature not passed by CSA, Rosalind Kirby proxy; spine wear and stress breaks color; marvel chips, creases and wear to edges, breaks color; 2/3" top spine split; 1" stain top back cover" Part of the bigger question I am trying to get answers for...did they test the Kirby signature, fail it, then charge another 25 dollars, test as Rosiland and pass it as such or did it fail as a jack Kirby, after which they identified it as a Rosiland, and as such, an identified signature, let it pass without impact to grade, because they had assigned it as being something beyond random writing. |
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| I asked Steve Borock for a few answers here and he has been kind enough to tell me this much... "Just found out it would not be "signed by Roz", but "Jack Kirby signature unverifiable by BAS" SO the next question becomes, can you, for another 25.00 request it be verified against known examples of Rosiland proxy signing to perhaps get a solid verification regardless? If so that's the route I need to take for mine to get to the bottom of who done what so to speak |
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| So this quest is heating up....I was able to acquire a 2nd alleged Kirby signature to submit as well It is my intention to send them both into BAS once in hand, for verification. Do they look similar or different to you? Which do you suppose is actually Kirby vs Rosiland?  The signature in blue is issue 8 of the series....   The worst case scenario is they both come back unverifiable, meaning likely signed by Ros rather than Jack |
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| how did your attempt go lucfan? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town Heating up!!!!!!....I've got a headache. So going by the verified kindly posted by @TheImmortalGI and Roz from the web plus my own DF we have:-      Mine has been in processing since 21st June so coming up for nearly 23 weeks ...with press |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town Hey you beat me to it you posted while I was fannying around with photoshop  .....and fingers still crossed perhaps santa WILL send me an xmas pressie |
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| whoops double post ...deleated | ||
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Just been told..... Failed  …... |
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I showed my wife and she was so happy for me she started to cry.
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| @no1lufcfan so sorry to hear that, would have been a great book to have | ||
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Thank you sir. May I have another?
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Quote:Originally Posted by no1lufcfan Where did you buy it? |
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