Todd McFarlane10191
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Quote:Originally Posted by Zombie_Head i see what you are saying now we wait for a Stan Lee solvent dna ink to get verified |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Zombie_Head I agree with you on the ink but again seems that you have still not understood that a sig which does not pass verification does not mean it is fake. Just that it cannot be verified. That includes pretty much all Stan Lee’s sigs for the last year before he died. |
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 If I could, I would. I swear.
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Quote:Originally Posted by BrashSmurf I'm old in this hobby. I've been around. I have friends in low places. |
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| @BrashSmurf not an assumption | ||
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 SpongeBob Comics #1 sells for $991!
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| I think @Bronte is on the right track. I work for a contract manufacturer of medical devices; metal and plastic that goes into the body permanently. Heavily FDA regulated with every process detailed, evaluated for risk, and validated. Even in this industry, mistakes happen, sometimes big mistakes. As seen by the daytime lawyer ads asking if you or a loved one had a certain implant. Is the ink verified as live as part of the VSP process? It probably is, but my book obviously wasn’t. Someone didn’t follow procedure is my guess, and a major error happened and got through QC. |
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 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Joosh That's exactly what happened I would bet. I would also bet that the QC regarding verified signatures is checking the label to make sure its red and has the right name on it. Once the sig is verified I'd say that's it, its verified, no further checking. |
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| Actually, the verification problem is a Beckett issue, not a CBCS issue. It gets muddled since Beckett now own CBCS. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson Disagree. It is a CBCS issue. Just because you outsource / sub-contract a service does not mean that you are not accountable. |
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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| @poka If this comes back as "no". I will be shocked. | ||
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 I’m not an ant. I’m a rootin tootin Hornet!
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Quote:Originally Posted by poka I do understand but why charge $25 if they can’t verify a Stan Lee signature that’s legit. Mine was from 2012 I think I’d have to look to make sure. So really any year they can’t verify. I would be happy only on Stan Lee’s autograph you would be charged only if it passes and if it don’t then don’t get charged since it changes so much and they have a hard time verifying it. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Zombie_Head The work is the same regardless whether they can verify or not. Would you rather prefer that pricing was $0 if not verified and $40 if verified? However, on a side note I do think they should do a statement that they don’t accept Stan Lee sigs for verification for the last 12 months before his death. |
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| what's to stop people from forging a Stan Lee signature and sending in for VSP if there's no monetary charge/consequence for failing? Also, the identical work goes into a successful verification as a failed verification. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GACThis isn't factually correct. Some signatures are easily verifiable simply by glancing at a comparable example, or as easily noticeable as unverifiable clearly and obviously. In fact most that fail are visually identifiable at the first step of the process, visual examination and comparison. And there the process often ends for a signature that fails verification because it quite obviously isn't close.There can be a variety of reasons, from the persons signature changing over time to outright fakery, but the final result is that it fails at the first step. This first step is similar to a screen in that visually an expert can often detect if a signature is a likely pass or fail. If the signature is still not verifiable, and there remains some doubt more involved processes are used.....i.e and according to BAS own home page...Our experts analyze the ink, structure of the autograph and, when necessary, reference our database of exemplars to make a side-by-side comparison of the signature. If a signature requires us to take a deeper look, we have state of the art tools like a Pro-Scope or VSC machine at our disposal. The obvious then is that while many failures appear in the first stage, often elaborate steps are taken to clearly verify a signature that might be questionable. |
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| Poor mistake ... I disagree with those that think it's ok to pass through QC if it's only occasional .. A major point of service is to accurately represent the condition of a book to take guesswork out of purchasing .. putting wrong label or identifying a signature incorrectly is not acceptable especially if want to maintain trust in said service and the brand in general |
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| @Wraith I don't think anyone is saying this is OK or acceptable. VSP (and witnessed sig for that matter) are not perfect sciences or processes. Unless you thought this was a 100% accurate process every single time, then this is just an example of an error. It's not acceptable, but to most, its expected...as it's an example of a mistake that we know happen. There is a margin of error in everything. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by poka The problem itself is with Beckett but CBCS has to wear it for sure. |
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| Well, given Darryl's response of a labeling error, then maybe the fault does lie with CBCS instead of Beckett. The bigger picture now is how CBCS responds to the the error as opposed to the error itself. Shit happens. It's all about how you clean it up. | ||
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| Did you end up paying more for the comic because of verification? | ||
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SpongeBob Comics #1 sells for $991!
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Quote:Originally Posted by teacha777 Yeah by a lot |
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| Wow, this is terrible, to get a comic with red label it is expensive, its close no an $100 investment. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Joosh Sorry to hear, definitely looks worse on CBCS part because they should of known that wasn’t a live signature |
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| General forum question, is there no CBCS employees that monitor this forum? Do we know if anyone on their customer service team has been made aware of this issue? The lack of official statement or even a “we are investigating the issue” is very concerning to me. I understand running a business is difficult but seems like a no brainer here. |
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 Thank you sir. May I have another?
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| With all these gimmicks and such with comics over the years, shouldn't there be some kind of accessible info to which each grader can refer? They get a comic in front of them, type in the title, issue, etc., and up pops the information that says this book has simulated cover wear (creases, chips, tears), that book has 2 covers by design, these books are known to have a wide spread defect (printing crease), and those books have printed sigs on the splash. Whatever it takes to achieve a 0 defect product, assuming they strive for that. |
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| I had a bet with someone about how long until Zombie_head showed up to complain about his failed Stan Lee...it lasted WAY longer than I thought, but he didn't disappoint. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by etapi65 I hope you won next time bet on me again and I won’t disappoint again. It’s like money in the bank until they fix the issue. |
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| As far as VSP goes, you pay a fee for a service, to see if we can verify a signature. If we can, you will get a VSP label but fail or pass the charge is the same as the same services were performed. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Zombie_Head @etapi65 @Zombie_Head LOL, you guys crack me up  |
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SpongeBob Comics #1 sells for $991!
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| Update: Jake at CBCS has responded to my call for help, and has talked to Mr. Borock about it, who is looking into it. | ||
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