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| Warner Bros. Responds To Shooting Victims' Letter. Todd Phillips' dark take on the Batman villain will not play at the theater where a massacre took place during a 2012 screening of 'The Dark Knight Rises' as family members of those killed ask the studio to donate to gun-victim charities. clickable text |
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| I can actually understand that though. It was an absolutely terrible thing, that I am sure many in that community are still scarred by. | ||
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The person who perpetrated that atrocity (don’t know his name don’t want to know it) should be serving what is left of his life slowly starving to death while being kept in a water filled chamber full of hungry rats  , that bite him everyday till there is nothing left. I am a man who strongly believes in redemption but his redemption can go kick rocks. |
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| I remember a time when it was said that we should not let terror rule our lives. That by changing what we do because of the acts of a person or a group, that we are actually inflating the ego of the people that did it and encouraging others to follow suit. If a disturbed individual sees that 7 years later a movie is being cancelled because of what someone did, and that the individual responsible is thrust into the headlines again, that disturbed individual may be strengthened in his/her resolve to get noticed the same way. By not screening a movie that has a thin connection to the movie that happened to be playing at the time of the shooting, they are just playing into the hands of these sickos. The shooter is probably laughing to himself in jail over this. Steps can be taken to make sure it doesn't happen there again if they are that concerned for their safety. But this has nothing to do about being concerned or acting out of empathy and has everything to do with politics. |
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| @Jesse_O I agree with what you're saying for the most part. It's a complicated situation. On one hand you definitly do not want to give these criminals anything that acknowledges there actions by behaving differently than you normally would. But you also want to be sensitive to the wishes of the victims families. Its a "stuck between a rock and a hard place" situation. | ||
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| I do want to make one thing clear. The theater has a right to choose what movies it shows. The way it sounds, they are not the ones making a big deal about this. They just say that the movie will not be aired there. Maybe they don't show any movies with excessive gun violence. Maybe it is just the Joker movie. Regardless, I get the feeling they did so out of respect for the lives lost there. That I can appreciate and respect. But for a group of 5 people to be able to get any kind of media coverage for their letter is the problem here. Now, the decision by the theater is in the news. Now, everything becomes relevant again. Now, the disturbed are encouraged. |
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| @GAC It's not really that hard of a situation. The media just needs to be sensitive on how they report things. I don't think anyone would be surprised or have a problem with that theater not airing Joker. But that's not newsworthy. Politics is newsworthy. So they find a way to connect the two and everyone goes to their corners and comes out swinging. | ||
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| @Jesse_O I could be wrong here but I think the group that wrote the letter to WB requesting they make a donation to victims of gun violence charities made it political. It's a non profit organization connected to a gun control advocacy group. Maybe not an overtly political move but the media did pick up on that and reported it that way. Did they have to report that connection? Not sure. Is it "more" newsworthy to report it that way? probably....we're talking about it now. | ||
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| @Jesse_O I am not part of this group of victims families, so I have no stake in this. If this was not posted to the forum I would have never known the difference. If the movie plays or it doesn’t play in Aurora theaters, I will care none the less. But this massive tragedy happened not but 7 years ago, and if I was part of this group I would hurt as well. It’s not an issue of censorship it’s an issue of a community that is still grieving and unfortunately the perpetrator linked himself to a household name. It sucks and is bullshit, but the film can be seen at probably every other theater. For context. I grew up in Fredericksburg, Va. we have had several serial killers operate in our small area. In 1997 the film “Kiss the Girls” was released, but was not shown in our area, because of the recent abductions and murders of Sophia Sylva, and the Lisk sisters. That monster was eventually brought to justice, but during that time there was a lot of anguish in our community. There are still so many unsolved crimes related to That monster, that I can understand how many people would be hurt. |
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| @Noblebeast315 I totally get what you are saying. That is why I made my second post about the theater. I guess my issue is with the reporter more than anything. This could have been a great humanitarian/community article about how they are dealing with the aftermath. But the reporter slanted it politically, and that's what my issue is. The reporter could have done a piece on the 5 people who signed the letter. It sounds like they each have their own stories and experiences that they could share. But the reporter decided not to do that either. Going by the title on the forum, I was expecting an article about the theater and it's decision to not air the movie. That is not what I got. I guess I'm just tired of seeing everything and anything being twisted into a political commentary. It's everywhere. It's all sides. It's tiresome. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O 100% agreed!! |
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| @Jesse_O I can agree with your statement about things being to politicalized. Way to often folks are offended by just about anything and then in response think they are entitled to some kind of compensation. This is a very ridiculously American phenomenon that is having a very negative effect on our society as a whole. I often think that these folks who get so self righteous should go live in Haiti, El Salvador, Republic of Congo, Syria, Bangladesh, or just about any other country in 2/3 of the world and they would have a lot more important things to complain about. But I don’t think this is the case for these folks. Tragedy is tragedy, and it would be hard for anyone to deal with. The Media is a monster of its on design. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O I've been giving your comments three stars until this. This is newsworthy. The theater didn't decide to not show the Joker movie because they avoid superhero movies or scary movies or movies with violence. They decided not to show it because of the letter from the families. Out of concern for public appearance if they showed the Joker movie in light of the families request. It is political, it is part and parcel of the debate on guns, violence and random acts of mass shootings. And it's newsworthy. The shootings are happening, the debates are taking place - and the media SHOULD BE covering it. The argument that all this would go away if we never read or heard anything about it simply isn't true. And it's also a dagger in the heart of democracy. WHO DECIDES what ought to be reported? In dictatorships and countries with single party rule the government decides what is in the news on based on what is best for the control of the populace. So in China for instance, there isn't much for the populace to read about the Tiananmen Square Massacre. The news media doesn't dare and citizen posts on social media get immediately removed. Keep posting and the police will drop by for a cup of tea and fear. Personally I would have preferred that the theater showed the movie and hired a few guards. But as you say, the theater can show or not show what they choose. But it's a mistake to blame the media for covering a story that IN FACT interests a lot of people. Because the media should be covering stories that interest people. And the only places the media doesn't function that way are in countries where citizens are not free. |
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| @IronMan You are correct. The story is newsworthy. I should have worded it better. The story of the letter and the theater choosing not to show the movie is a good story. However, I did not see where they are linked. The letter was sent to Warner Bros., not the theater. In the linked article, there is only two paragraphs addressing the theater. The theater made no comment on why they are not showing it. What I meant to say, was that by concentrating on the political dimension, the reporter made it more sensational. And the reporter has every right to do that. I am not advocating censorship. This could have been a great humanitarian story centered on the victims, the community and what changes and effects the shooting had on the area. The reporter chose, consciously or subconsciously, to go the direction he did. Why?? Because it gets more attention that way. I'm just venting my frustration with what I see is an agenda by the media to relate everything to politics now. I wrote three more paragraphs and decided to not go down those roads. I'm just done with the media trying to politicize and sensationalize everything that happens. Just put me in field of dandelions with my friends for a couple days and I'll be ok.  |
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 He sounds like a vegan who wants real mayonnaise to be vegan friendly.
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| I went to a high school where, on October 31, 1994, this one student decided to say "You are fire." before using a fire extinguisher on me. There was no foam but the fumes that spewed from it caused an entire class to get out for the sake of getting fresh air. This same student has a history of stealing from me, harassing me, and other things without getting caught. And yet, he was only yelled at by the teacher I reported this to instead of being suspended or expelled. This alone caused me to avoid anything related to that school, with the rest making it hard for me to forget his name. So when said shooting happened this is the closest I got to reliving that experience. The shooter, his behavior, and his reasoning all reminded me of him. So for me calling this political is only limited to those who think they'll gain something from this. And that is no different than the NRA making videos saying that the Government "wants to take away your guns while criminals get theirs" kind of nonsense. And yet that video does exist. I saw it while looking for a holster for my Airsoft Sig Sauer P220 SAO. It caused me to store it in the closet before deciding that made me too uncomfortable to go with my "2019-2020" cosplay plans. And yes, I tossed it in the trash instead of trying to get past that feeling. So I can agree with this decision. It is more about the fact the shooter decided to be 'The Joker' before shooting everybody he could get in that theater. And that is all I can say without sounding like I am trying to be more than somebody who has non-gun related issues to agree with this. |
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| I stopped reading that article in the second paragraph due to this quote, ""We are calling on you to be a part of the growing chorus of corporate leaders who understand that they have a social responsibility to keep us all safe..." I don't want to live in a society where corporations decide how to keep me safe. I'll pass. Corporations are motivated by profit. Also, I don't want to have to go through TSA type screening to go to the movies, shopping on black Friday, or to do whatever daily activity. I don't want to have cameras everywhere like they do in the UK. I don't want nor seek that. If you do then shop at places that offer that level of security just don't force it on me. As I've gotten older I've come to realize that the world is an imperfect place. You aren't guaranteed anything. Good things and bad things happen in random ways. You aren't going to be 100% safe in anything you do and to seek that means giving up your freedom. |
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| @Towmater I agree with everything you posted! Well said! I do feel for these people though and I understand why they are doing what they are doing, I just dont agree with it. I wonder how I would react if something so horrific happened to my family though. |
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| @Instant_Subtitles It sounds like you definitely had a tormentor in school. IMO, the adults failed you in that situation. And I understand panic attacks and post traumatic stress. I have had panic attacks in the past. I get how things can act as "triggers". However, I do want to point out that the whole thing about the shooter saying he was the Joker, was nothing but a rumor. In fact, he was surprised when inmates started calling him that. He said "They kind of turned me into a super villain,” he said. “At least I’m remembered for doing something.” |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater It's a shame; I thought it was a very even-handed article overall. I think it had everything in it that came up in the thread afterward: the letter didn't ask for the theater to cancel the movie, the Aurora shooter didn't call himself Joker, not all of the people affected by Aurora want the movie canceled, etc. In regard to the corporation part, I think that's just a reflection of the ever-expanding role of business in America. I don't think it's a good thing, but it's a sad fact. Many people (polls show a majority) want the government to do something to limit gun violence and gun access, but the government fails to act. So some corporations have decided to put their voice and money toward getting the government to act (https://www.inc.com/cameron-albert-deitch/business-leaders-letter-senate-gun-control.html). That's all this letter was as well; a request that a movie company also throw some money into the political machine to see if the government can be made to act. |
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| Should any violent movie be shown there? Should the place even stay open for business? | ||
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| @chirock troll much? | ||
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| @xkonk, I observe 2 things about your post 1)it makes it sound like everyone wants what those CEO’s want or we should somehow want what they want, and 2)it leads us to a chat on gun control. On the first observation, I don’t drink the same kool aid that the CEO’s of companies like twitter, Bloomberg, Beyond Meat, Impossible Foods, and Uber do. On the second point, I didn’t think that CBCS’s forum was a place were a gun control debate was allowed to happen, and if it was, I don’t think I be a part of it. Like many subjects in America at the moment - it divides. Both sides shout at one another. Neither side listens to what the other side brings to the table. |
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| @Towmater Certainly not going to argue with you on number one. I guess if my child was shot (and she's in pre-school now, so the odds have very sadly gone up) I would shout at literally everyone to do anything about guns. But I don't want companies running our lives either. And actually not going to argue about number two either. I've already restrained myself from posting some other things. Not because I'm worried about division or shouting, but because it's a comic book forum. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk If someone hurt my child I believe I’d be more interested in seeking justice for my child. That means - I would be seeking to punish the individual that harmed my child. I don’t think I’d be "shouting" at the rock, hammer, knife, vehicle, firearm, club, book, baseball bat, stick, board, or whatever inanimate object that was used during the commission of the crime that harmed my child. I guess we differ there. |
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| Did the theater screen batman v superman? Not sure why this movie is getting singled out. | ||
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| @moodswing I think this movie is getting singled out because of its violence but also because the 2012 shooter was rumored to say he was the Joker (I think this is verified to be false though, see @Jesse_O post above). If I remember correctly by his picture he did have green hair....that's where I think the Joker rumor would have come from. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater Not sure I could accurately predict what I would do if someone killed my children. I would definitely want justice...maybe revenge....and maybe action so it could never happen again to anyone. I know it would mess me up beyond recognition. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC He actually had red hair. The rumor was started by a New York Police Department Police Commissioner named Ray Kelly. I guess no one really questioned how a New York police officer would know a detail like that from something that happened in Colorado that very same day. But it does help to illustrate my point of the news media sensationalizing things. As soon as one "credible" news agency reported it, they all did. Now, it is a lie that is widely accepted as truth. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O Sorry...yes, you are correct...red hair (dyed red hair), my apologies. Anazing how that works. It's just assumed the 1st "credible" source did their due diligent fact checking and all others report it as fact. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O Honestly the High School I went to had two riots, saw the main boy's bathroom set on fire, and had one student graduate early because he was also targeted by a group of other students. Plus I also had a German/Austrian surname (I had it changed a few years back) that was constantly mispronounced by teachers and those who saw me as being different. Which is true since I would be diagnosed as having Asperger's close to a decade after I graduated. Plus this guy ended up being briefly suspended for taking a phone out of a classroom. So all I can say is that he was lucky, not smart. Plus I started to talk to somebody after I had my last series of anxiety attacks. I was told to focus on the patterns the attackers use more than what they are saying/doing. And that if they are not attacking, I should do the same for those who think they are entitled to do what they wanted to do. Such as the case of the gun enthusiast who brought a loaded gun into Walt Disney World, before being removed and having the company deciding to stop selling toy gun-like props in the parks. And with James, my best bet is that he did say it. But only did so as part of his sick "joke". So him not saying it because he believes it would explain why he said that. |
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