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| @moodswing I think this movie is getting singled out because of its violence but also because the 2012 shooter was rumored to say he was the Joker (I think this is verified to be false though, see @Jesse_O post above). If I remember correctly by his picture he did have green hair....that's where I think the Joker rumor would have come from. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater Not sure I could accurately predict what I would do if someone killed my children. I would definitely want justice...maybe revenge....and maybe action so it could never happen again to anyone. I know it would mess me up beyond recognition. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC He actually had red hair. The rumor was started by a New York Police Department Police Commissioner named Ray Kelly. I guess no one really questioned how a New York police officer would know a detail like that from something that happened in Colorado that very same day. But it does help to illustrate my point of the news media sensationalizing things. As soon as one "credible" news agency reported it, they all did. Now, it is a lie that is widely accepted as truth. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O Sorry...yes, you are correct...red hair (dyed red hair), my apologies. Anazing how that works. It's just assumed the 1st "credible" source did their due diligent fact checking and all others report it as fact. |
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 He sounds like a vegan who wants real mayonnaise to be vegan friendly.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O Honestly the High School I went to had two riots, saw the main boy's bathroom set on fire, and had one student graduate early because he was also targeted by a group of other students. Plus I also had a German/Austrian surname (I had it changed a few years back) that was constantly mispronounced by teachers and those who saw me as being different. Which is true since I would be diagnosed as having Asperger's close to a decade after I graduated. Plus this guy ended up being briefly suspended for taking a phone out of a classroom. So all I can say is that he was lucky, not smart. Plus I started to talk to somebody after I had my last series of anxiety attacks. I was told to focus on the patterns the attackers use more than what they are saying/doing. And that if they are not attacking, I should do the same for those who think they are entitled to do what they wanted to do. Such as the case of the gun enthusiast who brought a loaded gun into Walt Disney World, before being removed and having the company deciding to stop selling toy gun-like props in the parks. And with James, my best bet is that he did say it. But only did so as part of his sick "joke". So him not saying it because he believes it would explain why he said that. |
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| If you read the article I linked in one of my previous posts, it's pretty clear that he did not say that. It's also clear that he was not obsessed with Batman or the Joker. He decided on a time and place and The Dark Knight Rises happened to be the movie that was showing. There were no witnesses that heard him say anything of the sort. My guess, it was a tasteless joke made by a LEO or first responder that got credited to the shooter in an early memo. The movie was The Dark Knight Rises. Four years earlier, The Dark Knight movie made the line "I am the Batman." famous. Everyone was quoting it. It was even spoofed in commercials. So, IMO, the rumor got started by a tasteless joke that got taken seriously. Of course, we don't know for sure, since no memo has ever appeared. Maybe the NYPD cop was trying to be funny. Maybe he was misinformed. Regardless, no one bothered to wait for any kind of official record to be released. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by GAC @GAC I agree that I can’t with 100% certainty predict what I would do if a child in my family was injured or killed. However, as a retired member of the law enforcement community I’m pretty sure I would seek justice for my child. I believe I would become a thorn in anyone’s side that was seeking reelection if they sought some type of deal in the case. I would expect the full weight of the system that I served for decades to be brought down on the individual that committed the crime against my child. |
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| @Towmater most certainly!!! (and thank you for your service!!) but it could also be so painful, that by any means necessary, I would never ever want it to happen again, to anyone (i.e. crusade for gun control). These people have felt (are feeling) a pain I could never even comprehend. That kind of pain can change your perspective on almost anything. | ||
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He sounds like a vegan who wants real mayonnaise to be vegan friendly.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Jesse_O I read it. But not mentioning that I was also going with what a 2012 ABC News report says is my fault. Because going with the link you posted I also have this from the link I posted: "The man in custody for allegedly killing 12 people at the screening of the latest Batman movie in Aurora, Colorado told authorities after the shooting that he "was The Joker," NYPD police commissioner Ray Kelly said today. Kelly told reporters the suspect, identified by federal officials as 24-year-old James Holmes, had dyed his hair like The Joker. The Joker is a well-known villain in the fictional Batman universe. The attack took place at a screening of "The Dark Knight Rises," the final movie in a Batman trilogy, following "The Dark Knight" in which The Joker was the principal villain. Two federal law enforcement officials confirmed the details of The Joker reference to ABC News. Aurora police chief Dan Oates declined to comment on Kelly's remarks but said he had spoken with the NYPD, where he had previously served." In all cases another likely conclusion is that if he did not say it out right, he acknowledged it to the arresting officers in Aurora, Colorado. But as a joke? I doubt the NYPD's own police commissioner would have said anything if that was the case. Especially since there were talks about him going silent, him arming his apartment with explosives, and the like. Here is an additional CBS article that also talks about this: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/questions-remain-over-mass-shooting-at-batman-screening-in-colo/ All I can say is that I take subjects like this very seriously. More so than I do when it comes to casting an non-Asian actor in the role of a cyborg that appears in any Japanese style cyberpunk film. Because it runs in one half of my family. And it is also one of the many things I have to avidly avoid thanks to how people perceive my disability more than who I really am.  |
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| @Instant_Subtitles both articles that you reference are from 2012. They are false. They were based on a rumor started by the NYPD commissioner. This article is from 2015 and quotes George Brauchler, the 18th Judicial District attorney, who prosecuted the case. Quote: Originally Posted by article If the prosecuting DA, who undoubtedly interviewed all the eyewitnesses and police involved, says that no one claimed to hear the Shooter (I refuse to type his name) say he was the Joker, I'm inclined to believe him. Especially if the NYPD Commissioner would not comment what his source was. If it was legit, he would have said where we heard it from. Instead, he helped to spread a rumor. |
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| @Towmater @GAC many organizations exist because someone lost someone and they don't want others to go through the same thing. Mothers Against Drunk Driving, pretty much every cancer group, etc. To get somewhat back on forum topic, it's the driving force for any number of superheroes as well (Batman, Spider-Man, Punisher). | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater or even fire extinguishers, for those who read the whole thread. "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Funny how the same people who will quote this when it's convenient will forget it when it doesn't fit their agenda. |
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| An observation in Irony: Everyone involved got something from this: 1) The gun-control advocates got to renew discussion of a mass shooting. 2) The writer got a good click-bait article 3) The movie studio got free publicity by surrendering 1 theater. 4) The shooter got to feel powerful (and relevant) again by having a continued impact on the local community. |
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| Well movie premiere here is Oct 3rd. I am not going to see it. I saw the trailers and just are not interested. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by EbaySeller If that post was aimed at me please expand on how I'm trying to limit whatever and what my agenda is on whatever. Please help me understand your post. Quote: Originally Posted by xkonk Sure, they do. It doesn't mean that we should have knee jerk in the solution they call to punish on the vast majority of the population that is law-abiding. MADD went after the drunk driver. They didn't seek laws that effected law abiding citizens. BTW, all 3 of the examples you use to get it back on forum topic are very disturbed individuals in fiction. Spider-Man is the lesser of the three when it comes to his level of criminality. However, when one looks at Batman and The Punisher, one enjoys beating criminals into submission and the other enjoys killing them in order to get vengeance/revenge for tragedies that took place in their lives. Neither should be held up as examples of something that is good and both are criminals that should be in mental institutions. |
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| MADD actually pushed a number of law changes. Perfectly reasonable ones, most people would say, but they helped make previously legal things (driving with a .1 BAC level, drinking when less than 21 years old in some states) illegal. It's just a question of what you think are reasonable limitations on your rights. The three I named were off the top of my head, but there are basically only two ways characters become superheroes: honest altruism (like a Superman or the Fantastic Four) or something bad was done to them (Silver Surfer nearly had his planet destroyed, every X-character suffers some amount of discrimination, the three I mentioned before). In either case, pretty much by definition superheroes are infringing on some people's rights in an attempt to stop them from doing bad things to other people. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk As I stated, MADD went after the drunk driver or the impaired driver. They didn't seek to have ignition interlock devices installed on every vehicle that has ever been manufactured or will be manufactured. Thus, the law abiding citizen was pretty much left alone. |
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| As stated, MADD also pushed to raise the national drinking age limit to 21. Prior to the law, 29 states allowed people less than 21 to purchase and drink alcohol; after the law, it was illegal to purchase it. So MADD affected a number of previously law abiding citizens even if they weren't driving. They have also, actually, said that every car should have an interlock. That obviously hasn't come to pass. None of this is to say that I really want to talk about MADD. I'm just trying to figure out why people would be surprised or consider it unusual that people like the Aurora parents or the founder of MADD acted the way the did. I can understand why people might not like it, but not why they'd be surprised. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater It wasn't rebutting your point, but adding to it: In WWII the Nazis would take control of other countries and disarm the citizenry. And sometimes, to maintain discipline, they would haul the unarmed citizens into the town square and shoot a few of them in front of their families. That is horrifying to me. When we talk about personal privacy rights and why the government should not be collecting our personal data, people have no problem talking about remaining vigilant against the abuses of a totalitarian government. But if a gun owner talks about concerns of a totalitarian government they are called a fringe lunatic conspiracy theorist. Why the difference? We need personal ownership of assault rifles not to one day rise up against a totalitarian government. We need them because a well-armed populace is the best way to insure that we never have to rise up against a totalitarian government. Quote: Originally Posted by xkonk The difference is in the founding documents. For many early Americans gun ownership rights even preceded voting rights. Alcohol didn't have these protections from the founding fathers. |
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| @EbaySeller I think, given the simple existence of a thing called an amendment, that it's clear the Constitution didn't every detail exactly right on the first go. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by xkonk And even with all the changes in the laws surrounding drunk driving roughly 10,000 people still are killed in impaired driving crashes. Which leads back to my first statement... "As I've gotten older I've come to realize that the world is an imperfect place. You aren't guaranteed anything. Good things and bad things happen in random ways. You aren't going to be 100% safe in anything you do and to seek that means giving up your freedom." |
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