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Smudged signature on book10142

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A friend of mine has a friend who had her comic signed, but didn't wait long enough for the ink to dry before stacking another book on top of it. And now she has a book with a smudged signature.

Now she's having second thoughts about having it CBCS'ed. How do such things affect the grade or a book? Does it depend on the severity of the smudge? If it's only a slight smudge does it get a pass? What are the restrictions?

Thanks in advance!
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I think I would cry
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We should have the forum rate our packages. HeinzDad private msg quote post Address this user
Well.... if it was a witnessed signature it won’t matter, it has happened to me. If it’s a vsp or verified signature book I do not know, I’d have to think it would be harder to verify.
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I hear their hourly rate is outrageous! sportshort private msg quote post Address this user
I would think it depends on the severity of the smudge. do you have a picture?
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COLLECTOR dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user
If it’s witnessed I don’t think smudging affects the grade much, if at all


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Collector Red_Blade private msg quote post Address this user
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Well.... if it was a witnessed signature it won’t matter, it has happened to me. If it’s a vsp or verified signature book I do not know, I’d have to think it would be harder to verify.


Interesting. She'd be relieved to find out!
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I would think it depends on the severity of the smudge. do you have a picture?


I don't. My friend was just telling me about it. I wish we had pics for study purposes here.
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If it’s witnessed I don’t think smudging affects the grade much, if at all




WOW. Answers all questions!
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We should have the forum rate our packages. HeinzDad private msg quote post Address this user
Blasted paint markers!!!
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Collector TheMadTitan private msg quote post Address this user
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Blasted paint markers!!!


Just say No to paint markers. They might look cool but they SMUDGE. Years ago (about 30) John Byrne refused to sign X-men 108 with my silver paint marker and signed pen on the inside cover. Not sure if he did me a favor or not. So I graded the book w/JB on the inside and claremont on the cover.




But to keep with the theme. That smudgy signature is Denys Cowan.


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Thank you sir. May I have another? Siggy private msg quote post Address this user
My only smudge was by Danny Fingeroth's thumb. I wonder if CBCS will ever provide a verification by fingerprint.
This has been signed by Ron Lim since this scan. I need to update.


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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for. drchaos private msg quote post Address this user
The smudge only counts for one hit on the grade (example - 9.6 becomes a 9.4) but is a double whammy because you also lose out when it comes to eye appeal.

People buying signed books care more about the smudge than graders do.
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My only smudge was by Danny Fingeroth's thumb. I wonder if CBCS will ever provide a verification by fingerprint.
This has been signed by Ron Lim since this scan. I need to update.




Finger printing is actually a good idea! For creators too old to still sign properly...

I know the banks allow that for depositors who've forgotten or lost the ability to sign their names.
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I'd like to say I still turned out alright, but that would be a lie. flanders private msg quote post Address this user
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My only smudge was by Danny Fingeroth's thumb. I wonder if CBCS will ever provide a verification by fingerprint.
This has been signed by Ron Lim since this scan. I need to update.




Finger printing is actually a good idea! For creators too old to still sign properly...

I know the banks allow that for depositors who've forgotten or lost the ability to sign their names.


It sounds like a good idea until someone steals a thumb
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The smudge only counts for one hit on the grade (example - 9.6 becomes a 9.4) but is a double whammy because you also lose out when it comes to eye appeal.

People buying signed books care more about the smudge than graders do.


Good points. Very likely.
Yeah that CBCS Wonder Woman could have been a 9.8 were it not for the messed up sig.

And true -- the problem is if you decide to sell it people would be bothered by how the sig looks.
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for. drchaos private msg quote post Address this user
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Finger printing is actually a good idea! For creators too old to still sign properly...

I know the banks allow that for depositors who've forgotten or lost the ability to sign their names.


I think that forcing the artists to submit to both a fingerprint and a mug shot is the way to go on this one.

Who would say no?
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COLLECTOR dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by drchaos
The smudge only counts for one hit on the grade (example - 9.6 becomes a 9.4) but is a double whammy because you also lose out when it comes to eye appeal.

People buying signed books care more about the smudge than graders do.


Good points. Very likely.
Yeah that CBCS Wonder Woman could have been a 9.8 were it not for the messed up sig.

And true -- the problem is if you decide to sell it people would be bothered by how the sig looks.


Judging by the grader’s notes, I’d say it’s a solid 9.6 without the smudge

Grader’s Notes: wear top & bottom spine breaks color & wear right corners front cover breaks color
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Collector AndyRexia private msg quote post Address this user
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My only smudge was by Danny Fingeroth's thumb. I wonder if CBCS will ever provide a verification by fingerprint.
This has been signed by Ron Lim since this scan. I need to update.



I loved that book as a kid. Mine had a different cover. I read it over and over.
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Originally Posted by drchaos
The smudge only counts for one hit on the grade (example - 9.6 becomes a 9.4) but is a double whammy because you also lose out when it comes to eye appeal.

People buying signed books care more about the smudge than graders do.


Good points. Very likely.
Yeah that CBCS Wonder Woman could have been a 9.8 were it not for the messed up sig.

And true -- the problem is if you decide to sell it people would be bothered by how the sig looks.


Judging by the grader’s notes, I’d say it’s a solid 9.6 without the smudge

Grader’s Notes: wear top & bottom spine breaks color & wear right corners front cover breaks color


So many good responses but at the end of the day most are assumptions and only one is fact.
Grader notes back it up. You present fact homie. No question about it now.
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COLLECTOR dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user
@Red_Blade It really made me appreciate the availability of CBCS’ grader’s notes and how they can affect how these discussions play out. Sure CGC provides grader’s notes to the original submitter but unless they happen to be involved in a discussion about their particular book (and choose to share them) these discussions have to be based entirely on speculation, informed sure, but speculation nonetheless
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