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Quote:Originally Posted by sportshortI never bought 4-10 comic books a week as a kid .. i didn't buy that in a month .. in honesty I initially didn't buy that many in a year But, what I did get in a year I read from cover to cover , over and over again until the pages fell apart and then when I got to my teenage years with my first job I could afford to get a monthly pull of 2 books a month .. now as an adult I buy my 10-15 books a month plus and love it Kids don't need to buy piles of books to get a lifelong interest in the hobby .. |
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| we all speak from our experiences, i guess I was lucky I would get a dollar a week and spend it on comics. since they were a quarter each I got 4 on the average but I can't/won't give my 10 year old 16 to 20 dollars dollars for comics (that'd be crazy) like i used to buy. I am only guessing at what the future holds and hoping for the best I don't know what reality is just like nobody on this forum does but this is what I see and how I understand things to be or appear to be. I never thought of 4 comics as a pile but everything is perspective. | ||
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| At the end of the day reading books with awesome art is a universally appealing way to spend downtime for a great many people I just can't see that changing.. even my young kids will some times choose reading a picture book over playing with an iPad when they have the choice.. We just are geared to enjoy lying back and reading the medium .. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town This is what I see also. About 10 years ago the local convention dealers starting mentioning anecdotes of random "non-collectors" who would come for the cos-play or other reasons and easily drop hundreds or thousands of dollars on a single first appearance they were interested in (wolverine, Hawkeye, Sabretooth, Deadpool, rocket, Harley Quinn, Spawn, etc) now it's so commonplace that they don't even need to mention it anymore. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Wraith Kids get more bang for their buck playing games online or having their parents pay for a streaming service. Disney’s is between 4.00 a month and 7.00 a month. Our household bought in at the 4.00 special price a few weeks ago. At 7.00 that’s less than 2 comic books at today’s retail prices. The iphone was introduced 12 years ago. In 2013 50% of mobile data traffic was video. All one has to do is look at the increase in data usage on portable devices to see why print materials are outdated. Streaming or online gaming allow kids to use their portable devices to enter worlds that the generation before them could have only dreamed about. Comics are a thing of the past. The market is being kept alive by speculation and flipping this cover that is hot for 40 days and then quickly forgotten. I dig TMNT #95 and the idea of a female turtle. Too bad she arrived in the pages 20 years too late. |
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| Comics as we know them today perhaps ( or at prices they are ) may be on borrowed time . But the medium as a whole ... ? No way .. not until governments ban paper print , and even then there will be those who chase the old printed books that have meaning to them. All that has to happen is for the material to remain relevant for new readers to connect with the story or characters .. the success of comic book movies currently is a fair indication for me . |
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| All those kids watching marvel movies today are potentials to enter the market in 20-30 years time buying back issues of miles , avengers ,etc that they used too talk about in the school yard but didn't think to buy at the time | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Wraith Most of the kids watching those Movies could care less about actual comic books. I doubt most of them even know that's where the movies originated. I highly doubt they will care 20-30 years from now either Kids don't care about reading books, most are to busy being brainwashed by social media and liberal non-sense. Unfortunately that trend will most certainly continue to grow with more and more Social-Media Addiction. Quote: Originally Posted by Towmater Tomater is spot on. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BigRedOne1944 This is of course proven time and again as non factual, unlikely and fundamentally flawed (edited to soften use of the term nonsense)..each generation as it reaches the age to have discretionary funds and a comfortable lifestyle reach a point they begin farming nostalgia from their past... ie kids who had Gi joes as a kid grow and become serious modelers, or build dioramas or become toy dealers and buy and sell the very toys they knew as kids. Yesterdays kids are todays transformers collectors...once upon a time children loved Mickey Mouse and Disney which spawned a generation of those collectors....Star wars , transformers, he man, hot wheels, barbies, time and again kids grow up and seek out what they had , loved or enjoyed as children. If kids are being brainwashed by social media it simply means someone is failing to educate, and provide filtering and do proper parenting...it has nothing to do with liberals or conservative idiocy and never has nor will.There are intelligent and well versed people on all sides of any discussion, regardless the political walk of life, and children are capable of learning all sides of any debate given proper structure and supervision. If children suffer social media addiction it comes down directly on parents failing to provide alternatives, teach them how to create and think and to offer alternatives. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by TowmaterYou are speaking of a very narrow slice of a very large pie it appears. Your argument might be better made as some of the new comic market is driven by speculation and flipping this cover that is hot for 40 days and then quickly forgotten...but the back issue collecting, and silver and golden and bronze age collectors are doing well and growing, as prices continue to escalate and back issues become more rare and more sought after daily. Comics are a thing of the past, that many see as a superb hobby for their future...new issues alone don't dictate the future of the entire hobby by themselves, and there is plenty of new issue collectors who buy for story, art and enjoy the characters to keep that moving as well. People are hung up on the idea this hobby has to be about kids...it doesn't...do you think its kids driving the Walking dead to such giddy heights in such a short time? I dount flipping an speculating could begn to account for the price levels series like that have reached on back issues...say for issue 1, or 19 or whatever key in that run yoou might like to use ….and Walking Dead isn't alone. Dozens of comic book themes are hitting these streaming platforms, be they Disney with their Wandavision or The boys over there on Amazon …..the world doesn't end if kids tune out of comics...they may find their way in as teens, or adults but enough are and do it isn't a problem. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town Stating that others views have been proven to be "utter nonsense" is a strange way to seek civil responses. If the biggest selling book last month (Ultimate Carnage) sold 235,000+- copies. How many were variants that were flipped? I haven't a clue but I'd bet some of that very narrow pie were for that purpose. Why did I type narrow pie? Because 235,000 of anything being sold to a population of 333,000,000 people is a rounding error. Oh, and if ATT rumors are true about them looking to dump DC Comics, then that should provide a glimpse into the health comic market and where it might be headed. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town ATT is dumping dc cause it doesn’t know how to correctly push that product instead they put their grubby little fingers into all the products that could’ve been good and changed them cause they’re micro managing the people that know what they’re doing for example they are the ones who canceled swamp thing |
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Quote:Originally Posted by TowmaterI could tiptoe around using terms like..Highly unlikely, and difficult to support for things that are untrue, illogical and do not match the facts, but I went a bit more direct, sorry it bothered you. I was responding to an OP who has been rather harsh in responses to me so no foul as I see it. The biggest selling book last month was one of many new issues offered, out of many titles offered, alongside back issues, trades, graphic novels, toys, games, lunchboxes, and dozens of other items that make up our hobby. Yes, it is a rounding error, it is an even smaller piece of the pie than stated....flipping variants of one issue, for one month of one title compared to the entire hobby with its 330,000,000 people many who don't buy that comic, or did not buy alternate covers, or do not engage in flipping. Failing to factor in back issues, meaning all the silver golden bronze, platinum and copper age collectors who do not care about Carnage and its 235,000 copies, who don't even care about new books and do not flip things is where that rounding error is...understand comics as a hobby does not revolve around new issues, Carnage or its 235,000 copies...which are indicdentally a drop in the bucket compared to books like x-men 1, or X force 1, or even SPider man 1 from the nineties all of which had far fewer UNIQUE covers for the fans who do keep the books and do not flip them I cannot speak to rumors what ATT may or may not do, I don't really subscribe to rumor mills or that entire method of fact gathering, but my one thought on it all is that DC as an entity is far more vast than a few comic titles published montly, and contains movie properties, comic books, merchandising, and even animation ...so I somewhat doubt montly sales of comic books to kids alone is the driving parameter that will shape and determine any sale of that size, just as it was not with Disney, marvel and the marvel cinematic properties |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town You think the comic book collecting world is OK and will stay that way. I don't. Sorry, I ain't gonna say the emperor's new clothes look fine. Kids aren't reading comics. At least in the conventions and comic shops I have been in over the several years. Looking at the people at those locations it appears that 20 to 50 something year old individuals with poor hygiene, poor eating habits, and who refuse to exercise largely make up the groups in attendance. (If you don't believe me then look at a seven minute video of the Saturday opening of Indy Pop on Youtube. BTW, count the kids coming through those doors. In the first 5 minutes of that clip I counted less than 30.) As you've stated, people turn towards what they remember from their youth to collect. For some that might be cars they worked on and drove with a parent. Others, it might be comics. That being said, the vast number of kids today are playing Mindcraft, and Fortnite in our neighborhood. I haven't seen one kid (that includes my own) who have or read comic books. Kids don't read comics today like they used to do. The hobby will die out. Sure it might remain like baseball cards - you know a niche that is just a shadow of what it once was and an afterthought. |
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| Kids aren't generally the ones buying comics. My experiences are similar to @Towmater. I go to multiple shops throughout the month. I'll see kids with their parents in the stores, but the kid is usually face deep in a tablet or something to keep them occupied. I'll see some teens go in and buy a couple issues of something but never see young children unless it's Free Comic Book Day. FCBD is a crock of bullcrap for stores too. A ton of people who show up, get free comics and that's it. They may get one new customer out of that event, then the rest don't show up until next year. I don't think the hobby will die, but I think it's going to be much smaller in the future. | ||
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| I'm going to skip the whole "movie speculation" bit and go with those who stood out as the potential best new writers and for Marvel. Right now my focus is on Johnathan Hickman's work. The biggest issue Marvel Comics faced in the past with the X-Universe was the fact that anything they created went directly to 20th Century Fox. And now that is being absorbed in the MCU it means that watching what he has created will be crucial. Which means that success in his behalf will draw interest in his earlier works, including the harder to find issues that included key moments from the last 4-5 years being the "to buy" stuff. Plus Al Ewing's run of The Immortal Hulk is an easy slide into this. This version is essentially the Ultimate version of the Hulk. I mean that literally since he has attributes that can be found in all previous incarnations, with stories that bring back the "Is he a hero or monster?" motif that was long lost. Thanks to today's environment this is underappreciated but down the road people will see that his contributing changes to an iconic character is worth comparing to Walt Simonson's run on The Mighty Thor and Chris Claremont's run on what eventually became The Uncanny X-Men. That is all I can think of. Because in the long haul the things comic writers do can also be used in these films. So for better or for worse I think these two have potential to bring in interest to the stuff they write. |
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| It's easy to generalize and hard to pin down the exact books. But the most collectible newer issues typically are the ones that were not ever really marketed to be "collectibles" in the first place. There are very few books I'd look at printed in the last 4-5 years that I'm inclined to think of as near certain major keys in the future. The only one that comes to mind already isn't cheap. The first issue, first print of Rick and Morty. This wasn't hyped as the next great thing. It was a comic spin off from a moderately popular(at the time) adult swim cartoon show. The first issue didn't sell a lot of copies (7,000 I believe) it wasn't hyped, the show continues to increase in popularity. New episodes start in a couple of months and they have ordered four years worth. The comic slowly increases it's circulation base, lots of mini spin offs and it's a good read. Immortal Hulk doesn't tick near as many boxes to me. Plenty popular now, but it sells a lot better than the first issue of R&M did and fans are rabidly slabbing books as soon as they come out. What does make Immortal Hulk look interesting is the sales have grown with practically every issue, so this is definitely a comic that has picked up readers - a lot of readers actually - over it's run, as opposed to most new releases seeing sales fall as time goes on. |
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| Rick and Morty for me rings the same bells as Ren and Stempy, Beavis and Butthead and a dozen others . They come and go and flash for awhile then crash even harder usually . Time will tell and no offense at all to your guesses, I just see too many similarities to other properties.....SpongeBob anyone? I agree with your thoughts on Immortal hulk for sure, it seems to just keep up growing and grabbing new people in...nice choices regardless !!! |
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This question is too easy. There is already a book that's super hot which has already sold for over $100 You guys need to get this before it goes supernova |
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Quote:Originally Posted by BrashSmurf17000 copies in census. Over ten thousand copies graded at 9.0 or higher. Dropping like a stone in gpa ( notice all the down Arrows) in nearly every grade. Yeah imma pass sorry.. PS also much older than past five years  |
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| I think brash makes a funny.He pictured a reprint. Something that meets the published in the last 4-5 yesrs criteria | ||
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| I'm with the majority here. Immortal Hulk at number one. We all know the reasons for the Hulk title being hot. Canto at number two. Great story, and characters. Could easily be a cartoon movie that would have a huge following. That's my two cents. |
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| Tank Girl #1 will be hot right up to the point the movie comes out or the movie gets halted in development. That's at least 12 to 24 months of movement on the book. Anyone heard any news on the Spawn movie front? It has been in pre-production for awhile. The Jamie Fox casting announcement was in May 2018. |
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| @Towmater I haven't heard any new news on Spawn. Jamie Fox.... psshhhh... they would be better off casting Jamie Kennedy. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_town No offense at all taken to your reply. I enjoy the discussion! I think the major difference between Rick and Morty 1 and the other similar properties you mention is the number printed. Ren & Stimpy and Beavis and Butthead were printed by Mighty Marvel, not Omni. And they were printed in the mid 1990's, when new comics were being heavily speculated on. IDK what the sales figures were on these books, but I think it's reasonable to believe sales of these first issues were way, way north of 100,000 copies. When interest slows down, there's a big difference between 7,000 copies and 200,000 copies in the market. As for Spongebob 1, that book actually doesn't belong in the same class as the other two we are discussing. Published 2011, this book actually brings a couple of hundred bucks in 9.8 and raw copies on eBay - though it varies - typically fetch $25-$60. And the title is still being published (up to about issue 90?) where Beavis and Ren managed just two year runs. I'm a vintage guy so am generally cynical of "new comics as an investment". But having discussed it, Sponge Bob might not be a bad choice - if one is choosing from recent books. It is a few years past the OP's 4-5 year criteria though. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Darkseid_of_townYep right over my head..I missed it entirely, sorry Brash my bad. |
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