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Weekly cover contest #159 - Evil Twin10049

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Ones that I was surprised no one posted....



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We should add a rule that if you've won into the double digits you should have to wait 6 months before one of your entries is allowed to win again.


Sounds like a way to get less great covers each week.


Gosh, I thought of it as a way to expand the number of people who might put in an entry. If the same people keep winning then maybe people figure that it is 1) rigged, 2) a popularity contest, or 3) they don't have a chance. Therefore, they stop making an entry. Apparently, your mileage and thoughts were different than mine though.
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Pictures? We don't need no stinking pictures. brysb private msg quote post Address this user
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We should add a rule that if you've won into the double digits you should have to wait 6 months before one of your entries is allowed to win again.


Sounds like a way to get less great covers each week.


Gosh, I thought of it as a way to expand the number of people who might put in an entry. If the same people keep winning then maybe people figure that it is 1) rigged, 2) a popularity contest, or 3) they don't have a chance. Therefore, they stop making an entry. Apparently, your mileage and thoughts were different than mine though.


I won 1 time & came close a few more times. I wouldn't say it is rigged, but..."popularity contest"??...of course, that's bound to happen as certain posters from bonds. I never base my voting on who I like more, always go for the cover that I truly feel deserves to win.
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Pictures? We don't need no stinking pictures. brysb private msg quote post Address this user
Congrats Siggy!
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Congrats @Mr_Siggy
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Originally Posted by Towmater

We should add a rule that if you've won into the double digits you should have to wait 6 months before one of your entries is allowed to win again.


Sounds like a way to get less great covers each week.


Gosh, I thought of it as a way to expand the number of people who might put in an entry. If the same people keep winning then maybe people figure that it is 1) rigged, 2) a popularity contest, or 3) they don't have a chance. Therefore, they stop making an entry. Apparently, your mileage and thoughts were different than mine though.


I won 1 time & came close a few more times. I wouldn't say it is rigged, but..."popularity contest"??...of course, that's bound to happen as certain posters from bonds. I never base my voting on who I like more, always go for the cover that I truly feel deserves to win.


Same here!

To me, win or lose, it's all about having fun. I've actually posted entries I knew wouldn't stand a chance but I thought they were cool covers that would be appreciated. Generally I try to find GA (PCH) covers that fit the current contest theme but couldn't find a PCH evil twin for this round.
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We should add a rule that if you've won into the double digits you should have to wait 6 months before one of your entries is allowed to win again.


Sounds like a way to get less great covers each week.


Gosh, I thought of it as a way to expand the number of people who might put in an entry. If the same people keep winning then maybe people figure that it is 1) rigged, 2) a popularity contest, or 3) they don't have a chance. Therefore, they stop making an entry. Apparently, your mileage and thoughts were different than mine though.


I won 1 time & came close a few more times. I wouldn't say it is rigged, but..."popularity contest"??...of course, that's bound to happen as certain posters from bonds. I never base my voting on who I like more, always go for the cover that I truly feel deserves to win.
When voting I never look at who posted until after
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To me, win or lose, it's all about having fun. I've actually posted entries I knew wouldn't stand a chance but I thought they were cool covers that would be appreciated. Generally I try to find GA (PCH) covers that fit the current contest theme but couldn't find a PCH evil twin for this round.

I can't decode that one. What does PCH mean? I figure PC is Personal Collection, but I can't figure the H in that...
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To me, win or lose, it's all about having fun. I've actually posted entries I knew wouldn't stand a chance but I thought they were cool covers that would be appreciated. Generally I try to find GA (PCH) covers that fit the current contest theme but couldn't find a PCH evil twin for this round.

I can't decode that one. What does PCH mean? I figure PC is Personal Collection, but I can't figure the H in that...


Pre-Code Horror

Pre-Code is a shortened term used for Pre Comics Code Authority (thanks to SOTI) which happens to be my main interest. Hence my username.. Pre_Coder
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We should add a rule that if you've won into the double digits you should have to wait 6 months before one of your entries is allowed to win again.


Sounds like a way to get less great covers each week.


Gosh, I thought of it as a way to expand the number of people who might put in an entry. If the same people keep winning then maybe people figure that it is 1) rigged, 2) a popularity contest, or 3) they don't have a chance. Therefore, they stop making an entry. Apparently, your mileage and thoughts were different than mine though.


I won 1 time & came close a few more times. I wouldn't say it is rigged, but..."popularity contest"??...of course, that's bound to happen as certain posters from bonds. I never base my voting on who I like more, always go for the cover that I truly feel deserves to win.


Me, popular?
Must be rigged.

I'll put up this week's contest momentarily. Thanks for the votes!
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Pictures? We don't need no stinking pictures. brysb private msg quote post Address this user
Ok, I will go out on a limb here...luv u Siggy, but...that Captain America WINNING cover???...how exactly was that the BEST cover when it was mediocre (at best) & so many other covers were so much better?? Ok, if it is just a matter of opinion/taste, then I suppose I have a lot to learn.
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I won 1 time & came close a few more times. I wouldn't say it is rigged, but..."popularity contest"??...of course, that's bound to happen as certain posters from bonds. I never base my voting on who I like more, always go for the cover that I truly feel deserves to win.


Me, popular?
Must be rigged.

I'll put up this week's contest momentarily. Thanks for the votes!


Neither of you seemed to have won in the double digits. Noting that my posts were in reference to limiting those that have won in the double digits - my posts were not in reference to either on you.


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Ok, I will go out on a limb here...luv u Siggy, but...that Captain America WINNING cover???...how exactly was that the BEST cover when it was mediocre (at best) & so many other covers were so much better?? Ok, if it is just a matter of opinion/taste, then I suppose I have a lot to learn.


To be honest, last Friday when the contest started and I saw the Cap cover, I silently predicted it to win... and not because of who submitted it. And yes, I gave it 2 check marks.
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Ok, I will go out on a limb here...luv u Siggy, but...that Captain America WINNING cover???...how exactly was that the BEST cover when it was mediocre (at best) & so many other covers were so much better?? Ok, if it is just a matter of opinion/taste, then I suppose I have a lot to learn.


BRYSB,

This contest is tough because there is only one winner. Cover art is subjective and depends on people's moods at the time.

Yours also was a great pic and honestly in a different week could've won. People just were not feeling it this week I guess.

I thought the Outlaw Kid was a solid pick. It wasn't one of the many many Batman or Superman ones I could've went with. Obscure character, very old school. I voted for the Hulk one because at the time I didn't think of that one, great cover, captures the concept nicely.

The first time I won I was shocked because I didn't think it was the best, but it was the best of what was left. You just never know. One thing I will tell you. Be ready, when you do win use this time to think up something that hasn't been done yet.
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Neither of you seemed to have won in the double digits. Noting that my posts were in reference to limiting those that have won in the double digits - my posts were not in reference to either on you.


LOL Very true- You did say that, and I haven't won in double digits. I guess your initial post would have made more sense and put into better context if one of the people who have won double digits won this week. It seemed specifically applied to the latest contest.
I didn't realize there were double digit winners. Looking at the list, Jesse_O has at least 10 and GAC has at least 9, but they're fairly spread out.
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I don't remember when I started putting in covers, and I didn't do it consistently when I started, but I think it was maybe a year ago? Then I had my first win a month ago and have had some higher votes since then. I don't think I've become more popular, but I think people do start to get a sense of what covers might go over well. My votes went up when I moved away from X-Men all the time ;-)
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Ok, I will go out on a limb here...luv u Siggy, but...that Captain America WINNING cover???...how exactly was that the BEST cover when it was mediocre (at best) & so many other covers were so much better?? Ok, if it is just a matter of opinion/taste, then I suppose I have a lot to learn.


When I vote, I try to limit my choices to the covers that TRULY represent the topic of the week, even if there's a better cover that CLOSELY represents the topic. Martymann had a great cover, but were the kids "evil"? Many great covers this week, but not every one had an "evil" twin. Maybe the people who voted for it think along the same lines.
Maybe Bronze Age covers POP for them more than the other choices did this week. It isn't a cover that's necessarily widely known. Maybe it made an impression.

shrug

What are your theories for why it won?
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When I vote, I try to limit my choices to the covers that TRULY represent the topic of the week, even if there's a better cover that CLOSELY represents the topic. Martymann had a great cover, but were the kids "evil"? Many great covers this week, but not every one had an "evil" twin. Maybe the people who voted for it think along the same lines.
Maybe Bronze Age covers POP for them more than the other choices did this week. It isn't a cover that's necessarily widely known. Maybe it made an impression.

shrug

What are your theories for why it won?

I have NO idea why that one was so popular. It's just not very good, IMO. And the color scheme is terrible. Maybe the story is meaningful for people? A lot of these, I've stopped trying to figure it out.

I usually try to subvert the theme just a little bit, come at it in an unexpected way. But I get it ... there were a couple of nice cover (including Martyman's) that I didn't vote for because it wasn't a fight between twins. They were just watching the kids.

That's kind of why I leaned against choosing Flash #123, which is a hell of an iconic cover. It's kind of a face-off, and they are kind of twins, but it wasn't close enough to the rules for me, in the end.

For voting, I'll often eschew the well-known covers, the keys, in favor of either really high-quality art or something I hadn't seen before that just impresses the hell out of me. I tend to shy away from the more 'comic-book-y" covers and bad art. I get why it's popular, and invokes certain feelings. It's pretty awesome to see some GA or SA stuff I've never seen before. But a LOT of that art can't hold a candle to today's artists. The modern stuff is just a whole 'nother league. (Though sometimes I love a cover BECAUSE they innovated, or overcame the limitations of the era. Like that JLA cover, which is even more fantastic to see in person.)

Not that it has to be pure realism, either. I loved the Outlaw Kid cover. I almost voted for it, and probably would on a different day.

I almost went with this GA Detective comics cover. It's a classic comic book cover; it follows the theme, but subverts it a bit (because they are BOTH evil twins, which is unexpected); and it's probably one that people here would love. But I just didn't like the art very much. It has it's charms, sure, but in my opinion it can't match the quality of today's artists.

Anyway, that's why I always lose. :-)


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Neither of you seemed to have won in the double digits. Noting that my posts were in reference to limiting those that have won in the double digits - my posts were not in reference to either on you.



Reducing the level of competition would seem to lower the quality of the contest and the covers included.

You could just try, I don't know, putting up better covers.
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Ok, I will go out on a limb here...luv u Siggy, but...that Captain America WINNING cover???...how exactly was that the BEST cover when it was mediocre (at best) & so many other covers were so much better?? Ok, if it is just a matter of opinion/taste, then I suppose I have a lot to learn.


To be honest, last Friday when the contest started and I saw the Cap cover, I silently predicted it to win... and not because of who submitted it. And yes, I gave it 2 check marks.


I thought most of the covers were pretty great.

I liked Marty's because I really enjoy the Comic Cavalcade covers (the hero ones, not the funny animals).

There is just so much material out there that it is very difficult to predict what other people are going to like.
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Quite honestly, I don't see how this contest could be rigged. Logistically and practically, I don't see how it is possible. The votes cannot be controlled by Russia or any other outside force. As a mod, I do not have the ability to do it and I don't believe anyone else does either. I suppose it's possible a hacker could do it, but does anyone really think someone would hack a forum to screw with a comic book cover contest??? I certainly don't.

As far as it being a popularity contest of the submitters (and not the covers), I guess I can see that argument. Honestly, I don't see myself as being all that popular, just ask anyone I've banned or any of their friends.

I hadn't realized I was in the double digit of wins. 159 weeks is a long time to remember 10 of them. I will say that the times I've won are the times when I've put thought into my choices. I'll often have 3-5 covers to choose from before I decide. And then I try to look at them objectively. They say "Sex sells", but that isn't necessarily true for this contest. Some of my worst performing covers have been the ones I considered sexy. I've actually been surprised a few times with a win. I can almost guarantee that if I go with my first thought or a personal favorite that I'll lose.

However, if there is a feeling that I am somehow influencing the vote or am getting votes because I am a mod, I'll gladly bow out of the contest. I want this to be a fun thing for the forum and if my entering it ruins that. I'll step out.
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However, if there is a feeling that I am somehow influencing the vote or am getting votes because I am a mod, I'll gladly bow out of the contest. I want this to be a fun thing for the forum and if my entering it ruins that. I'll step out.


@Jesse_O don't worry about it. There's no rigged/popularity issues.

I think it pretty much depends on contest themes, plus some voters may prefer MA over BA covers,... BA over the SA covers,... and so on. Sometimes it's possible the appeal of a certain cover may take precedence over how well it fits the theme. Regardless, the cover received the most votes, it's the winner. We move on to the next contest.
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Neither of you seemed to have won in the double digits. Noting that my posts were in reference to limiting those that have won in the double digits - my posts were not in reference to either on you.



Reducing the level of competition would seem to lower the quality of the contest and the covers included.

You could just try, I don't know, putting up better covers.


Contest has been run 158 times. You've won 11 times, Jesse-O has won 11 times, @GAC has won 9 times. (31/158 = 19.6) So, roughly 20% of the time one of you three win the contest. Amazing that 20% of the time one of you three put up "better covers" than everyone else that has entered the contest any given time it is run. A 1 in 5 chance.

You three are the masters at picking "better covers" than any other poster.
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Good job, you three!
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Good job, you three!


They are the master pickers of covers.


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I got 99 problems, but a hurricane ain't one. drchaos private msg quote post Address this user
The best way to win the contest, and ultimately do it several times is to participate.

I can't speak for anyone else but I put up a cover every single week (from the beginning) even if I am busy or on the road or when I am late to the game and it seems that all of the best covers have been taken.

You gotta be in it to win it.
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I try to keep my entries in the GA/Pre-Code era as opposed to all comic book eras, which puts me at a disadvantage. But that's okay, I'm having fun with it.
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According to those that chimed in

KatKomics - never won
CatCovers - never won
Lenovations - 35 weeks until a winner
Me- 34 weeks

Totals wins by the above 3. 1.8% of the times the contest has been run.
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To be honest, last Friday when the contest started and I saw the Cap cover, I silently predicted it to win... and not because of who submitted it. And yes, I gave it 2 check marks.



WHAT?!? That's not what I paid you for!
Mods notified.
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I see covers I've never seen before every week. That's a win, especially if it has a theme I collect.
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