White Pages on a slabbed book10001
 Collector
|
Enelson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I have a feeling I'm probably in the minority on this, but i really dont care about the page color on a book I'm never going to read. For example...if a book is the same grade, but cheaper with cream or off white pages than a white pages book, I'm not the least bit bothered. Does anyone else feel this way? Or is page color a significant deal breaker on a slabbed comic you buy? Just generally curious about this part of the hobby. I only started buying slabbed books about 2+ years ago and i don't think page color has ever crossed my mind on a purchase. I figure a 9.8 is a 9.8 regardless of the pages, but I know it really matters to many people. Why or why not does page color matter to you on a slabbed comic? | ||
| Post 1 • IP flag post | ||
 Collector
|
andy49 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I've had the major screwover submitting a book with tan pages and getting a brittle grade, so page color should be considered. A 9.8 should be white. Anything other than white is a sign of deterioration and not a 9.8 book, in my grading opinion. |
||
| Post 2 • IP flag post | ||
 Collector
|
comic_book_man private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @Enelson it sounds like you only care about covers, if not for the quality of the page color? Page color matters because its an indication of condition for the entirety of the book. It tells its whole story not just the covers story. That is why it matters to me. A crispy brittle book is not as nice as a supple white book. |
||
| Post 3 • IP flag post | ||
 I'll probably wake up constipated.
|
Pre_Coder private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Doesn't matter whether slabbed or not, collectors of GA/SA books can go bananas on page quality. Quality on the outside, quality on the inside. | ||
| Post 4 • IP flag post | ||
|
Collector
|
Enelson private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by andy49 Ok...that makes sense. Like I said, I'm just legitimately curious. I had a 9.6 book that a person backed out on recently became the pages were off white...so I've been trying to get others feelings |
||
| Post 5 • IP flag post | ||
 I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
|
GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
| it all depends on the era of the book. the older the book the more forgiving one can be on page quality. Bronze and newer should be white pages IMO. Older books get forgiven. | ||
| Post 6 • IP flag post | ||
|
Collector
|
andy49 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I'm okay with an offwhite 9.6 book. I perceive a 9.8 as close to mint as you're likely to get, and a mint book will have white pages. |
||
| Post 7 • IP flag post | ||
|
Collector
|
Enelson private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by comic_book_man@comic_book_man the majority of the books I have bought slabbed I definitely care more about the exterior... however on a raw book that I pick up and open I love to see nice pages. I guess my thing is once its slabbed, I don't care, and for all I know, the pages could be mauve |
||
| Post 8 • IP flag post | ||
 I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery.
|
DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I have had resubs where the page quality changes with each submission. It is mercurial at best and should be taken with a grain of salt when dealing with white, white to off-white, and off-white designations. | ||
| Post 9 • IP flag post | ||
|
Collector
|
Enelson private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson@DrWatson triple upvote for use of mercurial |
||
| Post 10 • IP flag post | ||
 Ima gonna steal this and look for some occasion to use it!
|
IronMan private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Well, I'm closer in opinion to the OP. Newsprint used in vintage comics was never WHITE to begin with. Some publishers during some periods of time used better quality newsprint than others. Newsprint lots themselves varied in color. Depends on what trees they ground up and from where that day at that paper mill. So on vintage books - those published before the 1980's - it's entirely possible that many a comic book had "off white" pages the day they were put up for sale. It wasn't until the last 30 years or so that newsprint was treated enough to truly be "white" ever in it's life. So bottom line is I'm entirely cool with off white. And on older books cream to off-white. As for the 9.8's, they are not perfect. It's acceptable to have off-white to white pages. On vintage books. Something just printed the last couple of decades? No. The paper in those books was of much higher quality to start with so anything less than white indicates some aging. |
||
| Post 11 • IP flag post | ||
 I'm sure whatever it was you got me was perfect.
|
PhantomEwan private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I have passed on many books because of page color. Almost my entire Marvel collection has white pages, and everything since 1976. Nothing with page color less than offwhite to white pages. It is about the overall deterioration of the book. Just my own OCD, and honestly when the opportunity presents its self to upgrade page quality I always try to take it. For some issues I would even buy a lower grade to get the white pages. | ||
| Post 12 • IP flag post | ||
 Collector
|
cyrano0521 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I generally do not care about page quality unless it’s on the lower end of the scale. If a presser cooks a book, the pages will brown and i may not buy it, but that’s fairly unusual. | ||
| Post 13 • IP flag post | ||
|
Collector
|
andy49 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| in an effort to stay on topic, the buyer may have been unreasonable to back out of a deal because the paper was offwhite. what was the book? |
||
| Post 14 • IP flag post | ||
|
I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery.
|
DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I truly believe that page quality is determined with a dart and a board. | ||
| Post 15 • IP flag post | ||
|
Collector
|
andy49 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson how so? |
||
| Post 16 • IP flag post | ||
|
I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery.
|
DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by andy49 Quote: Originally Posted by DrWatson |
||
| Post 17 • IP flag post | ||
 Masculinity takes a holiday.
|
EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Definitely matters because it is a higher quality book overall. You just wouldn't buy off-white to white pages if White pages was available for the same price in the same grade. I also find back covers to be important for raw books. If I'm buying a raw book and cannot get a look at the inside I take a good look at the back cover. I think I've just found over time that the back cover condition is likely to represent the interior page condition. | ||
| Post 18 • IP flag post | ||
|
I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery.
|
DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| It would matter if it were consistent. It's not, especially with books graded by the cgc. | ||
| Post 19 • IP flag post | ||
 I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
|
drchaos private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Enelson On older books that often don't have white pages the page quality can be a big deal. I bought a copy of ASM # 17 back in the mid-1980s at a local comic show. When I finally had it pressed and graded more than 25 years later is was CGC 5.5 with White Pages. I got roughly $75-100 more than the average sale price for a 5.5 because of the unusually great page quality. On early golden age books I would think white pages would also be a big deal. Also, I avoid books that have brittle pages. |
||
| Post 20 • IP flag post | ||
|
Collector
|
andy49 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by DrWatson have you ever called them out on it? meaning, ask them what they're using as a scale, or send them a comparison? better yet, a resubmission? |
||
| Post 21 • IP flag post | ||
 Collector
|
00slim private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I don’t buy books with Cream to Off-White Pages unless the book is very rare. Off-White is my minimum on silver age books. If it’s 80’s & newer, it has to have white pages if I’m buying a slab. The reason being? Yes, it’s an indication of deterioration, and just as important is resale. With everything I buy. Everything. I think to myself “what if I needed to sell it one day”? Many things I never plan to sell. But IF I did, I want to know my items will catch a fellow collector’s eye. |
||
| Post 22 • IP flag post | ||
 Collector
|
CatCovers private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Of all the variables I consider when buying a book (or at least one with a high enough price tag to make me think about whether or not to buy it) page quality is among the least of my concerns. I mean, tan or brown pages are a turn-off (would only consider them for GA books I couldn't otherwise get), and brittle is likely a dealbreaker, but give me a choice between two identically priced and graded books, one with off-white pages but a beautiful cover and the other with white pages but a crease on the cover, and I'll take the off-white pages and unblemished cover every day. | ||
| Post 23 • IP flag post | ||
 I showed my wife and she was so happy for me she started to cry.
|
Batman66 private msg quote post Address this user | |
  with older books it comes with a price tag. If your interested, I know the guy who owns this would take 115k |
||
| Post 24 • IP flag post | ||
 Collector
|
Darkseid_of_town private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I don't buy brittle at all....modern books I expect white pages...anything older than say 75 I give no care...although yes, some do pay premiums for full white pages....I would rather own two copies with off white pages than one with pages so white you could make bedsheets from em | ||
| Post 25 • IP flag post | ||
 Collector
|
agamoto private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by IronMan Totally agree. I didn't see what I'd consider a truly "white" page until Marvel Fanfare came out in the 80's, prior to that, even fresh newstand copies had a slight yellow/red/brown tinge to the page. I think the overstreet definition of white isn't actually #FFFFFF though, it's more along the lines of what's called "old lace", #FDF5E6 https://www.color-hex.com/color/fdf5e6 |
||
| Post 26 • IP flag post | ||
|
Collector
|
Enelson private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Batman66 See...Now I would think it was cool to have an "exceptional White pages" book... And thanks to everyone for sharing thoughts and opinions, I just have never really thought that much about the subject till recently. I just always felt "well it's slabbed and graded who cares" but I definitely see there is a significant difference in opinion. I guess I still feel once it's in a slab the interior and the look and feel of the pages no longer matter to me. However on a raw book- I am completely different in my opinion. This is actually why I was highly resistant to slabbing books until a few years ago I actually expected more of an attack for asking about this subject...thanks! |
||
| Post 27 • IP flag post | ||
|
I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery.
|
DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by andy49 I posted about it on the cgc forum years ago. I have had hundreds of books cracked, pressed, and resubbed over the years and the page quality will change about 50% of the time. I specifically remember one signature series book that went from white to off-white white and then back to white between signings. I even had one cream to off-white come back as white after a press and resub. We used to joke that he pressed the white back on to the pages. |
||
| Post 28 • IP flag post | ||
|
I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery.
|
DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by andy49 I posted about it on the cgc forum years ago. I have had hundreds of books cracked, pressed, and resubbed over the years and the page quality will change about 50% of the time. I specifically remember one signature series book that went from white, to off-white white, and then back to white between signings. I even had one cream to off-white come back as white after a press and resub. We used to joke that he pressed the white back on to the pages. |
||
| Post 29 • IP flag post | ||
|
I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery.
|
DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Oh, and Exceptional White, which grammatically should be Exceptionally White, is overkill and in my opinion a nod to the Doug Schmell school of huckster advertising. Bone White. Bleach White. Virgin White. Denta-Brite White... and so on and so forth. | ||
| Post 30 • IP flag post | ||
This topic is archived. Start new topic?