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Amazing Spider-Man #39 Price?6033

Collector spfd18 private msg quote post Address this user
I'm in the market for an Amazing Spider-Man #39, and have the opportunity to purchase one that's CGC graded at 8.0. The seller is asking $560 for this issue. Is this to much? Ideally I want to get an issue that is either an 8.0-7.5 that presents well, so I can get Stan Lee and John Romita Sr. to sign the issue. What would be a fair price for an 8.0 or 7.5, both either graded or raw?
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Collector Steverogers11 private msg quote post Address this user
Around 400 for a 8.0. According to go collect
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Collector gman private msg quote post Address this user
way too high
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Collector spfd18 private msg quote post Address this user
@Steverogers11 and is that for a raw copy or is it for a graded copy? Thank you
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Collector chacault private msg quote post Address this user
That’s for a graded copy.

GoCollect shows sales data for graded comics sold through various channels (mostly eBay).
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Collector chacault private msg quote post Address this user
Average sale price over the last 12 months is $400.

Fair Market value is $400.

If this person is selling privately, they save eBay fees (10%), so it’s reasonable to get this copy as CGC 8.0 for the $369 range.
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Collector xkonk private msg quote post Address this user
Is it by chance through mycomicshop? They have a consignment 8.0 for $560. From what I've seen, people throw things up for consignment with them for ridiculous prices fairly regularly. If you're willing to take a step down, they also have a 7.5 for $350.
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Collector MR_SigS private msg quote post Address this user
I'm willing to pay over FMV for perfect wraps and white pages, but not that much over.

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Collector spfd18 private msg quote post Address this user
@xkonk yeah that's the one I was looking at. I like using them to buy graded/raw comics because at least you know that the condition of the book is guaranteed; and graded books are genuine. Unlike ebay where you have to worry about a seller fraudulently listing the book in one condition, however when you receive the book; there's pages missing. Or ebay sellers who crack a book out and swap into the case a lower graded one. Unfortunately being in my late 20's and still having to pay back the government for my student loans (the struggle is real guys ), I can't afford to pay a ridiculous amount of money on key silver age issues. That's why I was looking for everyone's advise before I made a purchase. (Thank you everyone). Plus I'm relatively new to our expensive hobby, so i'm not that well versed in silver aged collecting yet.
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Collector xkonk private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by spfd18
Unfortunately being in my late 20's and still having to pay back the government for my student loans (the struggle is real guys ), I can't afford to pay a ridiculous amount of money on key silver age issues.


I know that struggle
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COLLECTOR conditionfreak private msg quote post Address this user
I think you are wasting money if you buy already graded and slabbed, just to open and get signed. Well, maybe not wasting because at least you know pretty much what you are getting. But signed silver age books in mid to lower grades are just as good as signed mid to high mid grade books. In my opinion.



Edited, because I do not want to sell at this time.
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Collector TommyJasmin private msg quote post Address this user
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That’s for a graded copy.

GoCollect shows sales data for graded comics sold through various channels (mostly eBay).


Nostomania shows you raw as well as graded. See pic, CBCS recent 8.5 for $382. eBay raw recent sales for $182 and $189 (also both 8.5). @chacault is correct current CGC 8.0 is close to $400 based on actual sales.


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Collector chacault private msg quote post Address this user
@TommyJasmin wow. Nostomania is just what I've been searching for a Raw / Real Life market data. Thanks for the share!
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Collector CopperAgeKids private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by TommyJasmin
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Originally Posted by chacault
That’s for a graded copy.

GoCollect shows sales data for graded comics sold through various channels (mostly eBay).


Nostomania shows you raw as well as graded. See pic, CBCS recent 8.5 for $382. eBay raw recent sales for $182 and $189 (also both 8.5). @chacault is correct current CGC 8.0 is close to $400 based on actual sales.




The fact that nostomania somehow records/ or "shows" raw sales as 8.0 and 8.5 is ridiculous.

Unless, the sellers will guarantee a 8.5 from CGC or CBCS. ..which I do, on most of my eBay listings.

But no way would I sell a VF copy unslabbed, that's leaving $200 on the table.

$400 is the most the OP should pay for a slabbed 8.0.

The CBCS 8.5 was a very good deal at $382 but that was an auction, not a BIN.


ASM 39 is not going anywhere price wise in 8.0....it can wait a few months. Or a few years, for that matter.

Honestly, I think you can find a raw , strictly graded 5.0 to 6.0 with off white or better pages for anywhere from $50-$100; if you search hard enough.


IMO, the OP should start out slow and buy some of ConditionFreak's ASM doubles.

Myself, and everyone else on this board and on the CGC Forum as well, who has dealt with ConditionFreak will tell you that he is on the level.
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Collector CopperAgeKids private msg quote post Address this user
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@TommyJasmin wow. Nostomania is just what I've been searching for a Raw / Real Life market data. Thanks for the share!


Just use eBay sold listings and hone your grading skills.

Nostomania cannot reliably report raw sales.

Doing do is literally the definition of an oxymoron.
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Collector chacault private msg quote post Address this user
@ CopperAgeKids Good point. If anything, it provides another perspective. But, you're right, raw grading varies so much between seller that it's almost pointless.

I can hope. Can't I?
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Collector CopperAgeKids private msg quote post Address this user
There is literally no hope with reporting raw sales; unless you know the seller personally or if NostroMania were only to report raw sales from a small handful of sellers who are well known to under grade books, such as Mycomicshop does.

But most of the time, their BIN prices on raws is high.

If you bid on a raw copy of ASM 39 thru one of their site's auctions, you are virtually guaranteed to get a book in the stated grade, if subbed to CBCS or CGC.

You can hope for that...just don't hope for Nostomania's ability to record raw sales from less reputable dealers. 😊
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Collector TommyJasmin private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids
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Originally Posted by TommyJasmin
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Originally Posted by chacault
That’s for a graded copy.

GoCollect shows sales data for graded comics sold through various channels (mostly eBay).


Nostomania shows you raw as well as graded. See pic, CBCS recent 8.5 for $382. eBay raw recent sales for $182 and $189 (also both 8.5). @chacault is correct current CGC 8.0 is close to $400 based on actual sales.




The fact that nostomania somehow records/ or "shows" raw sales as 8.0 and 8.5 is ridiculous.



Ouch. How is collecting and reporting raw sales from a list of vetted eBay sellers ridiculous?
Sounds like a valuable service to me.
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Collector poka private msg quote post Address this user
@TommyJasmin if a seller list an item as 8.0 but the comic is actual only a 6.0 then the list is not helpful. Then it is better to check the sold items under eBay and check whether you agree with the grading yourself
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Collector TommyJasmin private msg quote post Address this user
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Unless, the sellers will guarantee a 8.5 from CGC or CBCS. ..which I do, on most of my eBay listings.



Then why wouldn't Nostomania want to add you to their eBay harvest list? It sounds like
you are saying your raw sales are not an oxymoron

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Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids


The CBCS 8.5 was a very good deal at $382 but that was an auction, not a BIN.



And what's the point? An auction is an ideal price point to report in a service. It's
the best reflection on the market for that book at that instant in time. Nostomania
does not include any BIN pricing in their sales reporting. The majority of eBay stores
and BIN prices are just museums.

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Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids


ASM 39 is not going anywhere price wise in 8.0....it can wait a few months. Or a few years, for that matter.



CopperAgeKids is correct here - the trendline for this book in CGC 8.0 (that's the Nosto
green line) is and has been very flat for quite some time. As he says, no rush.

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Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids


Honestly, I think you can find a raw , strictly graded 5.0 to 6.0 with off white or better pages for anywhere from $50-$100; if you search hard enough.



This is also correct. If you click on the most recent Nostomania 6.0 sale, the
link leads you here.
CopperAgeKids can tell you all this is BS or an oxymoron all he wants, but
this is an actual, vetted sale.

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Originally Posted by CopperAgeKids


Myself, and everyone else on this board and on the CGC Forum as well, who has dealt with ConditionFreak will tell you that he is on the level.


+1 on this point.
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Collector gman private msg quote post Address this user
also not all graded books are the same in appearance...i recently sold a nice 8.0 to a board member here. presented really well...but i can find several other 8.0s that are brutal looking. Buy the book and not the grade (unless you are reselling, then buy the grade! )
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Collector TommyJasmin private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by poka
@TommyJasmin if a seller list an item as 8.0 but the comic is actual only a 6.0 then the list is not helpful. Then it is better to check the sold items under eBay and check whether you agree with the grading yourself


And ideally, the market would correct this. The seller would start to wonder why his/her sales are declining over time, why there are returns, why there are grading complaints in feedback reports, and so on. You guys are looking at the micro view - a single person trying to buy a single book and be assured of the grade. Nobody disagrees with the problems there.

The reason harvesting raw sales is important for Nostomania is because one of their services is to
compute and maintain a current value of your collection for you. This means your entire collection,
every book, not just the slabs. If you collect low grade Action Comics from the 60s, there are no
slabbed pricing/sales. There are ample raw sales however, from reputable dealers, and this data can
provide the basis to estimate the value of your collection for you, and keep it up-to-date.
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Collector VCBE private msg quote post Address this user
Don't go by those price grading things GP Analysis, Nostomania as they are complete CRAP. If people went by them I could make a million in a year from them incorrect pricing... For White pages the book, Low $400.00 High $550.00
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Collector gman private msg quote post Address this user
https://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Amazing-Spiderman-39-CGC-8-0-WHITE-pgs-KEY-Osbourne-as-Goblin-1st-ROMITA-/332587396383?hash=item4d6fc0ed1f%3Ag%3AfOgAAOSwUwhaqv~3&nma=true&si=yuJLd4Gyvy19NQA1a%252FXXKJCiBfc%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
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Collector TommyJasmin private msg quote post Address this user
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Amazing-Spiderman-39-CGC-8-0-WHITE-pgs-KEY-Osbourne-as-Goblin-1st-ROMITA-/332587396383?hash=item4d6fc0ed1f%3Ag%3AfOgAAOSwUwhaqv~3&nma=true&si=yuJLd4Gyvy19NQA1a%252FXXKJCiBfc%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557


Good share @gman, thanks. Nostomania has just harvested all halroark past eBay sales, including the ASM 39 above, and added this seller to the harvest list. It took under 10 minutes for us to obtain and validate all sales, both slabbed and unslabbed. They will appear on the production site next update and will influence future pricing computations.

Normally I would leave a seller like this off the harvest list for reasons like the following. While I realize these are minor issues, they are telling as to a seller's overall credibility.

- Frequent typos in listings, e.g.:
"Tale of Suspense" and "spiderman" (no effort to hyphenate)
This always feels sloppy to me, but it's common, and our code is smart enough to do the correct mappings.

- Unnecessary subtext and subject line verbage, e.g.:
The Amazing Spider-Man # 107 v.1 CGC 9.0 OWWHITE pgs Bondage Cover
Really? Spidey tied up warrants tagging as a Bondage Cover? Come on.
and the v.1 adds nothing here

But minor gripes, a CGC sale is a CGC sale, we'll take it.
And I spot checked their unslabbed sales (like this one) enough to decide they are worth grabbing.
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Collector TommyJasmin private msg quote post Address this user
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Amazing-Spiderman-39-CGC-8-0-WHITE-pgs-KEY-Osbourne-as-Goblin-1st-ROMITA-/332587396383?hash=item4d6fc0ed1f%3Ag%3AfOgAAOSwUwhaqv~3&nma=true&si=yuJLd4Gyvy19NQA1a%252FXXKJCiBfc%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557


Oh what the heck, I pushed all the new data to production. There's the @gman sale on the site, and huh,
look at that, happens to land right on the complete CRAP Nosto computed CGC 8.0 value. To be fair to @VCBE Nosto pricing does have some serious issues, but they are being addressed, and this year we will be recomputing all pricing data from the beginning of NostoTime. But on a book like this were there are sales? We will be rock solid.


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COLLECTOR Foghorn_Sam private msg quote post Address this user
I paid $300 for this raw Jazzy John Romita signed copy. Even though it's personalized, I don't mind. It's an absolutely beautiful copy and the cover isn't mucked up by a signature.


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Collector esaravo private msg quote post Address this user
Here’ the one I bought from @gman this past Sunday. Perfectly centered and looks great. Thanks again, George.


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Collector TommyJasmin private msg quote post Address this user
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Here’ the one I bought from @gman this past Sunday. Perfectly centered and looks great. Thanks again, George.

Wow that's a beaut @esaravo. Looks more 8.5ish than 8ish.
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