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| Has anybody else been following the whole Ardian Syaf situation with the hidden anti Christian/Jewish messages that he put in X-Men Gold #1 that was released this week. | ||
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| I read about it, yes. | ||
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| Strange, that he would use the X-Men. Their entire history has been about illustrating that discrimination is a horrible thing. What he did is the antithesis of that. I can't believe he admitted what he did on Facebook. Do you think Marvel is going to continue using him as a artist? I don't think they should. (Glad I got in before the thread gets locked). |
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| I think it was wrong how he went about it. It is a cowardly wayvto express yourself. I hope Marvel gets rid of him. I also hope that collectors are not going to be swarming out to hoard these. The other printings will have the images removed. I missed it on Wednesday and I am ok with that. | ||
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 I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life.
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| He's gone, don't worry. | ||
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I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life.
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| but watch the recalled comics soar in value tho | ||
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| Going to grab one of these before they do just so I have one. But he should be black balled from the industry. Quote: Originally Posted by BrianGreensnips Do you have a problem with WHAT he was saying or just HOW he was saying it? |
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| I highly doubt marvel will recall this issue. The print run for this book is so high that marvel would lose so much money recalling it, it doesn't make sense. Its not a normal monthly book, its a marvel summer event book that I'm sure was over-printed and double shipped to retailers. |
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| My thinking is I don't want peoples political or religious views in any form of escapism I decide to take in. That is unless it's something I'm taking in like a TV show or a book or article for that expressed purpose. In my opinion Marvel needs to clean house anyway. I think the people in charge have run their course and it's time for some fresh blood and thinking calling the shots. | ||
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I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life.
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| This is a PR nightmare for marvel publishing | ||
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Despain private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Except it wasn't a racial message. It was an ideological message. | ||
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 I've spent years perfecting my brand of assholery.
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| I think it needs to be classified as hate speech and the entire lot shit-binned. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by jimmylinguini They're not recalling it. They stated that all subsequent print runs will have the art removed. If they would have decided to recall it, they would just be calling more attention to it, and that's not what they want. In a few weeks very few will actually remember this. |
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| Ive been following this story. It seems Syaf is doing some back peddling on his social media. I'm going to refrain from stating my opinions on the messaging itself but I will say I don't want these types of messages in the books I read, from any one. The print run on this book is way to high to recall it but select shops have opted to pull it from their shelves. Trades and digital and subsequent printings will have the images removed. This is very bad timing for Marvel. This book was supposed to help turn around their sales and - until this broke - reviews in the book were actually pretty favorable. It'll be interesting to see how marvel reprimands Syaf, if they fire him, and if another publisher picks him up.... |
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Quote:Originally Posted by JLS_Comics The print run should be an afterthought. If they won't pull the comic for this type of message in their product, then it makes you wonder what they would pull one for in the future. Quote: Originally Posted by JLS_Comics I wonder if they have a policy or a clause in their contract about such a situation. If not, I bet it gets implemented in the future. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater There's no upside to pulling it. If they pull it, they lose money, they lose time, they draw more attention to the issue and in the end it creates a rare book that will be worth more just because of the "stigma" attached to it. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by OrbitCityComics Marvel has pulled books in the past for a racial slur and for inappropriate content. The upside is that they are making a statement that they won't allow their products to be used this way. Hope that makes sense. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater The last time that happened was 1989, and the book never made it to a full print run, nor was it intentional. The last book that was pulled for "innapropriate content" was invincible iron man, and that book was a variant going to midtown, which was never sold. |
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| I really doubt Marvel didn't know what was in this book. They knew, and because of their political slant they didn't care, until it became a backlash situation. | ||
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| And if Marvel really didn't know, they need to change internal operations, bucause not a single drop of ink should escape examination. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego I've seen "backlash" from a small handful of right wing news, but nothing major. Other than that, I just see the occasional blurb from middle of the road news sites. I've yet to see any major comic site calling for a boycott or anything else of Marvel. Just the typical political fundie sites that don't even buy comics. To be honest, if it weren't for news about this, I'd have no idea what it meant. Personally, I don't even really care. It's not as overt as a racial slur. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by OrbitCityComics I don't know what your point is on the above. Is it that a full print run shouldn't be pulled due to the cost? My point - It doesn't matter if it is a variant or a full print run. If you are a publisher that produces a product that the creator intentionally inserts a message that supports hatred then the product should be recalled. Personally, I think Marvel will have its hands tied if the issue goes mainstream. Right now it is contained in the comic industry world and the press that surrounds it. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Towmater Yes and no. Cost is an issue, but not the deciding factor. There's no real upside to a recall. The only people really complaining are a few small handful of internet users who have nothing better to do with their time. On the upside, those people provide me with entertainment during my work hours. |
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| I think it should go mainstream. I mean if you think about the way the message was introduced, on Colossus's t-shirt in a baseball game with Nightcrawler who is a Christian character. That would be the same as if Colussus had a shirt that said "F You Nightcrawler!" If the message had remained as background art it would be less severe, but this is actual interaction between characters. You can be darn skippy Nightcrawler knew what the t-shirt meant, which means that "in story" Colussus was giving a big ol' racial FU to Nightcrawler. Those kind of shenanigans should never be tolerated. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by OrbitCityComics Hey, I appreciate the underhanded putdown that you inserted into your response to my point-of-view. I guess that my time isn't as valuable as those that defend bigotry, intolerance, and prejudice. Ya know, because I have so much of it to waste on trivial matters. Unbelievable. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Despain We're not gonna start playing this game are we? Doesn't matter if it's from the bible, Quran or a pamphlet. Hate speech is hate speech. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Wolverine Not playing a game. Just correcting you. I totally agree that it's hate speech, and I'm firmly against it. As far I know, Colossus has been portrayed as an atheist and Christian, so why would he be wearing a shirt with a verse from the Quran? It's obvious the artist was sending a message of hate. But the hate was not race related. Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, etc are all ideologies--not races. Anyone of any race can follow any of these ideologies. As a follow of Christ myself, I was angry about the page, but knowing that Marvel is slanted to the left, I have come to expect such garbage coming from them. I'm no snowflake. I won't melt. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by WolverineSorry about the delay in answering you. Just a busy day at church and birthday parties. I would say it is the way he went about it that bothers me. He is using a private company to express his political/religious beliefs to the public who are buying the product but may not have the same beliefs.They are also purchasing it without the knowledge of his agenda. What he should do is put a sign out in front of his own house on his own property. This way it is all on him. I have a neighbor about half a mile away that really loves to express his hatred on the world. He puts large signs nailed to his tree which is right next to a busy side street. The one I saw yesterday said" Muslim free zone" I feel it is wrong but at least it is on his own property.Usually there are complaints to the township hall and they are usually taken down within a day or so. He has also had nasty ones about Hillary Clinton, Obama and other anti Muslim ones. They do offend me and I have come close to calling the township too. But at least I am not buying it. Except for the huge amount of money that I pay in city taxes. What an A-Hole  |
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Every tree on private property in America should have an anti Hillary sign.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by JWKyle Dude escapism is loaded with politics and religion. Good vs evil, west v east, etc. |
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