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Collector RyanHicks private msg quote post Address this user
Yesterday there was news of CBCS updating their labels to include mention of specific price variants (which there is already a thread of that specific topic here)

Well apparently there was also news yesterday across the street where CGC finally addressed the Newton ring epidemic and said they are making some modifications to reduce (do they mean eliminate?) Newton rings on their cases. (this had been discussed prior but they made a public announcement about it yesterday)



Screenshot credit goes to Chris Fabian on Facebook, not sure if he is on this forum or not?

This is exactly why competition is good for the consumer and nobody (from either fan base) should be rooting to put the competitor out of business!

Now here's to hoping this leads CBCS to:
- Improve TAT's (already improving)
- Offer Magazine size (coming #soon?)
- Census and/or Registry (putting in bold because this has been on my WANT list for years)
- Improve the website/dashboard
- Innovate something new we haven't even thought of (please do some of the others first though )
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Collector xkonk private msg quote post Address this user
You can never fix/improve everything at once. I hope CBCS has enough resources to know what the customer base as a whole wants to prioritize. My personal order from that list would be

1) TATs
2) website/dashboard (emphasis on the dashboard working properly)
3) census
4) something awesome
5) magazine size
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Collector antoniofett private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by xkonk
You can never fix/improve everything at once. I hope CBCS has enough resources to know what the customer base as a whole wants to prioritize. My personal order from that list would be

1) TATs
2) website/dashboard (emphasis on the dashboard working properly)
3) census
4) something awesome
5) magazine size


My CBCS wish list is close to yours:

1. TAT
2. Census
3. Magazine Size slabs
4. Sliver VSP label instead of Red
5. More on-site grading. ( When TAT is much better)
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Collector KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user
Not sure what the market looks like 90% CGC 10% CBCS....75/25...60/40???
Who knows...but this could be bad for CBCS.

Cristal clear vs slight tint was never enough to not use CGC...Rainbow Bright was the deal killer for me and I suspect many others.

If they solve that issue and keep their TATs in order it will let them claw back some market share.

Feet on the ground always helps too...many of the smaller cons up here usually have neither, maybe if you are lucky there is a Signature facilitator (usually CGC). Starting to see CBCS at some of the mid and large size cons but then CGC is also at the large ones.

Can't help it...cheap working my way up to frugal...will usually submit at a convention to save on shipping.

Have never seen on site grading...outside of moderns I don't think I would use it as many silver age could use a press/clean too.
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Collector IronMan private msg quote post Address this user
We will see I guess. CGC has been aware of the rainbow/prism effect for a very long time. And for the past 2.5 years it's been a much bigger problem because of the outer holder being sealed tight.

When CGC's Generation 2 holder first came out in April 2016, there soon followed posts by CGC that they were looking into various coatings that might reduce the prism effect (Newton rings). But I unslab a lot of books for pressing and resubmission. Newton rings are not the only visual problem with CGC's holders. Puddling (that dimpled circle - usually on the back cover- of the inner holder) is once again very common with CGC encapsulated books.

I'm not going to pretend like I understand the why of either problem. But what I do know is puddling is non-existent with CBCS and PGX graded books and the prism effect/Newton rings are much less common with CBCS and PGX graded books.

I don't get it. If F'ing PGX can slab books with absolutely no puddling with the inner well and Newton rings being rare, just what is it that keeps CGC - the market leader with the largest volume and $$ from doing so?

IMHO, the puddling thing is being overlooked. CGC seemed to have fixed this in the past - and now I'm seeing a lot more of their books with this defect. They are using the same material for the inner holder (a bit thicker) that CBCS is using. Their outer holder is physically thicker. So just what is it that is causing these problems? Really?? If a few guys in a garage in Oregon can slabs books without these issues, why in the hell can't CGC?
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Collector Jimmers private msg quote post Address this user
Because people keep buying the shoddy product.I think folks are out of their minds continuing to submit when their books are being placed in these holders.Why risk the possibility of damaging your books(by this I mean the accordion effect and those lovely cases of books being caught,squished by the cases,pun intended).Waiting all that time for your book to come back looking like Lucy in the sky with diamonds fugly and paying for the pleasure?pfft.Don't give them your money,maybe they'll fix the problem folks.
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I can't understand why people slab in something that makes their books look worse.

Three main things I would expect for the money it costs to slab.

1- Book is preserved and protected in fantastic fashion. (to this ends I think both companies should be offering cases that offer UV filtering so customer doesn't have to do themself)

2-Book looks great - better than raw so can be displayed in its protected case. As it stands now some books look better in top loaders than some cgc slabs. (must admit I'm no fan of their label either)

3- the integrity of the brand and grading service in the market is also very important.

Turn around times, label colours etc are added extras but nice to haves.. No business without the above 3.

CBCS therefore is my choice should I slab, but alas international postage costs are a deal breaker for me as I don't have books of high enough value for it to make sense
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1- Book is preserved and protected in fantastic fashion. (to this ends I think both companies should be offering cases that offer UV filtering so customer doesn't have to do themself)
Nothing that any company does to slab will offer 100% UV protection. UV is just plain nasty and, regardless of what you do, will eventually take a toll on comics, prints, art, etc.
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1- Book is preserved and protected in fantastic fashion. (to this ends I think both companies should be offering cases that offer UV filtering so customer doesn't have to do themself)
Nothing that any company does to slab will offer 100% UV protection. UV is just plain nasty and, regardless of what you do, will eventually take a toll on comics, prints, art, etc.


99+% protection would be nice, and PETG can be manufactured with that additive easily. It is surprising how many people display their books nowadays. Some use uv film, and then some use absolutely nothing at all
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CBCS TimBildhauser private msg quote post Address this user
@shrewbeer Maybe adding that into the mixture would affect clarity. I don't know.
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Not sure if this has anything to do with the newton rings, but the inner well CBCS provides feels dryer compared to the CGC inner well. It may simply be a tweak to the formula used in the plastic.
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Collector Wraith private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by Wraith
1- Book is preserved and protected in fantastic fashion. (to this ends I think both companies should be offering cases that offer UV filtering so customer doesn't have to do themself)
Nothing that any company does to slab will offer 100% UV protection. UV is just plain nasty and, regardless of what you do, will eventually take a toll on comics, prints, art, etc.


99+% protection would be nice, and PETG can be manufactured with that additive easily. It is surprising how many people display their books nowadays. Some use uv film, and then some use absolutely nothing at all
I'd even settle for uv film applied to inner sleeve or something.. Don't need 100% protection, but some protection would indeed be nice.
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@shrewbeer Maybe adding that into the mixture would affect clarity. I don't know.


I guess it must be tested before making assumptions!
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Not sure what the market looks like 90% CGC 10% CBCS....75/25...60/40???


What about PGX?

I saw the post earlier in the week and my first reaction was that CGC is just throwing something out to compete with the CBCS Label news that came out...ironic that it came out the same day.

I mean, they don't say they're going to fix it, just continue to research....which they could state at any point and time and it would be correct. They also say "further reduce" and not "eliminate"...with some of the extreme case photos out there, it would be very easy to take a side by side and say "we reduced it..."
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I'd even settle for uv film applied to inner sleeve or something.. Don't need 100% protection, but some protection would indeed be nice.
Again, I'm not sure being that this isn't my field of expertise but that might potentially cause some issues with Newton rings.
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Collector IronMan private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by Wraith
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Originally Posted by shrewbeer
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Originally Posted by TimBildhauser
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Originally Posted by Wraith
1- Book is preserved and protected in fantastic fashion. (to this ends I think both companies should be offering cases that offer UV filtering so customer doesn't have to do themself)
Nothing that any company does to slab will offer 100% UV protection. UV is just plain nasty and, regardless of what you do, will eventually take a toll on comics, prints, art, etc.


99+% protection would be nice, and PETG can be manufactured with that additive easily. It is surprising how many people display their books nowadays. Some use uv film, and then some use absolutely nothing at all
I'd even settle for uv film applied to inner sleeve or something.. Don't need 100% protection, but some protection would indeed be nice.


On the subject of display professionally graded and encapsulated books...

People doing such should understand that any and all light will damage paper. Light in the UV wavelengths are the most energetic and so most destructive. But all light is in the long term bad for paper. I personally keep my comic books - slabbed or not - in boxes with lids so they are always in the dark. Color photo copies of covers I like and art get framed and displayed. That is me and that is what I do. Other people are entitled to do as they want with their stuff.

But it is possible to balance displaying and safety of collectible comics. One just needs to follow the guidelines listed by places like the Library of Congress or the Northeast Document Conservation Center.


Display your books in windowless rooms or completely block the light from any windows.
Use LED lights (which emit no UV light)
Turn the lights off when no one is in the room
When the lights are on, keep the brightness of light at the lowest practical level.
And of course control the environmental conditions. This is actually easier than many might think. If you are comfortable, your books are in a safe range. If you think it's hot and humid in the room, so do your comics.
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Collector SpiderTim private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by Wraith
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Originally Posted by shrewbeer
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Originally Posted by TimBildhauser
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Originally Posted by Wraith
1- Book is preserved and protected in fantastic fashion. (to this ends I think both companies should be offering cases that offer UV filtering so customer doesn't have to do themself)
Nothing that any company does to slab will offer 100% UV protection. UV is just plain nasty and, regardless of what you do, will eventually take a toll on comics, prints, art, etc.


99+% protection would be nice, and PETG can be manufactured with that additive easily. It is surprising how many people display their books nowadays. Some use uv film, and then some use absolutely nothing at all
I'd even settle for uv film applied to inner sleeve or something.. Don't need 100% protection, but some protection would indeed be nice.


On the subject of display professionally graded and encapsulated books...

People doing such should understand that any and all light will damage paper. Light in the UV wavelengths are the most energetic and so most destructive. But all light is in the long term bad for paper. I personally keep my comic books - slabbed or not - in boxes with lids so they are always in the dark. Color photo copies of covers I like and art get framed and displayed. That is me and that is what I do. Other people are entitled to do as they want with their stuff.

But it is possible to balance displaying and safety of collectible comics. One just needs to follow the guidelines listed by places like the Library of Congress or the Northeast Document Conservation Center.


Display your books in windowless rooms or completely block the light from any windows.
Use LED lights (which emit no UV light)
Turn the lights off when no one is in the room
When the lights are on, keep the brightness of light at the lowest practical level.
And of course control the environmental conditions. This is actually easier than many might think. If you are comfortable, your books are in a safe range. If you think it's hot and humid in the room, so do your comics.


the Northeast Document Conservation Center leaflets are a great source of information! I'm up to Chapter 3.
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Collector X51 private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by shrewbeer
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Originally Posted by TimBildhauser
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Originally Posted by Wraith
1- Book is preserved and protected in fantastic fashion. (to this ends I think both companies should be offering cases that offer UV filtering so customer doesn't have to do themself)
Nothing that any company does to slab will offer 100% UV protection. UV is just plain nasty and, regardless of what you do, will eventually take a toll on comics, prints, art, etc.


99+% protection would be nice, and PETG can be manufactured with that additive easily. It is surprising how many people display their books nowadays. Some use uv film, and then some use absolutely nothing at all
I'd even settle for uv film applied to inner sleeve or something.. Don't need 100% protection, but some protection would indeed be nice.


On the subject of display professionally graded and encapsulated books...

People doing such should understand that any and all light will damage paper. Light in the UV wavelengths are the most energetic and so most destructive. But all light is in the long term bad for paper. I personally keep my comic books - slabbed or not - in boxes with lids so they are always in the dark. Color photo copies of covers I like and art get framed and displayed. That is me and that is what I do. Other people are entitled to do as they want with their stuff.

But it is possible to balance displaying and safety of collectible comics. One just needs to follow the guidelines listed by places like the Library of Congress or the Northeast Document Conservation Center.


Display your books in windowless rooms or completely block the light from any windows.
Use LED lights (which emit no UV light)
Turn the lights off when no one is in the room
When the lights are on, keep the brightness of light at the lowest practical level.
And of course control the environmental conditions. This is actually easier than many might think. If you are comfortable, your books are in a safe range. If you think it's hot and humid in the room, so do your comics.


I thought I read that LED lights can include UV, but it's in lesser amounts.
Either way, I'll agree that all light can cause damage.
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