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I prefer not to see topics like this because it can be a tool used by the competitor to prey on the other company's customers.


That’s an interesting take. So far I applaud the more open CBCS boards. Not sure how one would prey on customers.
The board repeatedly gets post from people saying "I'm done with CBCS... they did ________________" (fill in the blank)

Quite often those reasons are just stupid. It's a way for the competitor to promote themselves while badmouthing the competition. CBCS needs to be applauded for letting the thread stand. CGC would be banning it and handing out suspensions. I'm not saying you are here doing that, but I'm sure others would and I'm confident that CGC would do it.
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Agreed. CGC would not allow this discussion. I looked for rules here before posting expecting a similar guideline. Glad to see that’s not the case. Might actually get back into sigs again although I was turned off of them. Does CBCS have a registry going yet?
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My recent complaint with CGC. All the modern books I get back are crooked. They lay crooked to the right or left. Super annoying!

P.S. Newton Rings have basically been accepted as the norm. Which I think is unacceptable.
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i sell CGCs and I buy CBCSs (if I can)

as an example - i won this x-men 266 9.2 for $100. i was the only bidder. this comic goes for more ungraded


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My recent complaint with CGC. All the modern books I get back are crooked. They lay crooked to the right or left. Super annoying!

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yep - one of my buyers is returning the slab because of this
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@X51 Weird though cause CGC TAT wasn't affected. Head scratcher.


I've been a Quality Inspector for over 2 decades. Sometimes the difference is in the process. Sometimes the difference is the way two people do the same job.

I was at two different Post Offices this week. At one, the people behind the counter moved at a snails pace. They knew the line was backed up out the door, but they didn't care. They had no sense of urgency. It took me an hour to get through the line. The other one had employees that were energetic and motivated. They took quick steps to do each task and they focused on accomplishing those tasks instead of looking for reasons to be distracted. I was out in 5 minutes.
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Ok. So the straight up modern submission is $16 at CBCS with membership and $16 at CGC (plus $5 invoice fee) with a dealer account.

Fast track at CGC I believe is $8 more for dealers (haven’t fast tracked in awhile) while CBCS has fast pass for an additional $9.

Looks like CBCS is 3-4 weeks longer on moderns right now so i’m Guessing about 2 weeks slower fast pass vs fast tracked.

But I did read about Beckett and now see about a new facility. Future does look bright.

Please correct anything I am missing. Much appreciated.

The tier that really intrigues me is the 2 day modern. Is it really 2 days? That appears to be a decent price and a good jumping off point for me while I transition. Not familiar with a similar CGC tier.


I don't believe it's reasonable to compare the CGC dealer price account with the CBCS member price account. CGC has member accounts and pricing too.

If you qualified for a dealer account with CGC, you probably would be able to get a dealer account with CBCS as well. Modern's are $14 and Fast pass is $8. And did I mention there is no annoying $5 submission fee? Comparing apples to apples, CBCS is less expensive for the modern tier.

Two day modern is a WONDERFUL tier. Besides being really fast, it also has much higher FMV limits ($2,000) So it's great for moderns that you need to be the first selling them to make the most $$ and it's great for books like GS X-Men 1. At this exact moment in time - with all that is going on - it's not really two days. More like a week. But it's been two days in the past and I'm sure will be again. Right now is unique time for CBCS with the purchase by Beckett and the move.
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My recent complaint with CGC. All the modern books I get back are crooked. They lay crooked to the right or left. Super annoying!

P.S. Newton Rings have basically been accepted as the norm. Which I think is unacceptable.


Yeah. That's why I left CGC. They no longer use the inner wells on 50% of their books. Some will have them, some won't. I can't deal with a company that's not uniform.
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@X51 Weird though cause CGC TAT wasn't affected. Head scratcher.


I'm tempted to ignore this conversation but what the heck...

CBCS was actually affected by two hurricanes. Hurricane Irma in Florida and Hurricane Harvey in Texas. Because the supplier for CBCS's slabs is in Houston, Texas.

But the current reason for (more lengthy) turn around times is the purchase of CBCS by Beckett Media. If you have ever been through an acquisition, you know how it goes. Leading up to and following the purchase, hiring is non existent or slows down to a crawl. The new owners send in their management and their HR people and transition specialists that all want to analyse the job duties of every single person. Who does what, why, does someone at the now parent company already do something similar? Most important - this affect on business was most certainly taking place MONTHS before the general public knew anything about it.

Now CBCS is moving almost 1200 miles away to new headquarters with the parent company. Everyone will do their best to minimize the impact on the business. On customers. But disruption is inevitable. Not just during the move. But for weeks before and after.

I'm not sure what I want to say further about it. It feels like not much else should need to be said. CBCS and Beckett know what the TAT's are for the competition. CBCS I sure wants to improve their TAT's. Beckett - the new owners - no doubt EXPECT the TAT's to get better. No doubt improvements and services we are not even privy to at this moment are in the works. But hot damn. Human beings can only do so much. Rome as they say wasn't built in a day.

TAT is one of the criteria that is reasonable to consider in picking a comic book grading company. If TAT is of supreme importance to someone, then PGX is their company. Third party grading and encapsulation doesn't get quicker or cheaper. If TAT is of supreme importance AND you want a well respected grading company, then CGC is probably for you. Right now. But what is the point of snide comments about hurricane and the competition? It's hurricane(s)- plural - and other stuff.
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and remember 2 years ago when it was the other way around CBCS with quick TAT and CGC with months lag. no one remembers beyond their recent submissions
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As far as TAT goes my philosophy has always been this:

If you need the book back to sell before the market cools off on it, pay for expedited service. If it's just for your collection don't spend the extra money.

A couple things to keep in mind:

1) Comics are safer while in our possession than they are in yours. They're literally kept in a vault.

2) There's no such thing as a comic book emergency.
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@Unknown You can openly talk about pgx here too. But you cannot post pictures of their slabs.

You CAN post pictures of cgc slabs.

I also am pretty much done with CGC. I sent things into them because their TATs were quicker, I was a member and getting better prices at the time, their grading was slightly less stringent, and their return on investment (ebay sales) was slightly better. I was sending some things in for flipping with some for my personal collection And it made sense.

However, now what I have left to send in is for the PC...and I find CGC cases to be slightly "tinted" while CBCS is crystal clear...and I've had it with the Newton rings. I agree with @KingNampa ...cgc has no interest in fixing the problem.
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How about pressing TATs? Last year during convention season they were adding about 3 months to the normal TATs if you used the CBCS pressing service. Is that still the norm?
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Collector Logan510 private msg quote post Address this user
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@Unknown You can openly talk about pgx here too. But you cannot post pictures of their slabs.

You CAN post pictures of cgc slabs.

I also am pretty much done with CGC. I sent things into them because their TATs were quicker, I was a member and getting better prices at the time, their grading was slightly less stringent, and their return on investment (ebay sales) was slightly better. I was sending some things in for flipping with some for my personal collection And it made sense.

However, now what I have left to send in is for the PC...and I find CGC cases to be slightly "tinted" while CBCS is crystal clear...and I've had it with the Newton rings. I agree with @KingNampa ...cgc has no interest in fixing the problem.


I always find the topic of who's grading tighter between the two companies amusing. Over on the CGC boards the overwhelming thoughts are that CGC is in a "super tight" grading period now. I've received a few 9.8's back in my last couple of subs that are definite head scratchers, but I've also received 9.6's back that IMHO should be 9.8's. On the flip side I have bought CBCS slabs that I felt were undergraded AND overgraded.

Six of one, half dozen of the other.
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Over on the CGC boards the overwhelming thoughts are that CGC is in a "super tight" grading period now


Super tight to them is normal for CBCS.

In my experience, CBCS only lets the best books through to 9.8
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Over on the CGC boards the overwhelming thoughts are that CGC is in a "super tight" grading period now


Super tight to them is normal for CBCS.

In my experience, CBCS only lets the best books through to 9.8


I wish I had the CBCS books I bought so I could show you, but I cracked them out as I prefer unslabbed <3

So a "super tight" CGC 9.6 is what...a 9.2 CBCS in your opinion? Maybe a 9.4?
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My recent complaint with CGC. All the modern books I get back are crooked. They lay crooked to the right or left. Super annoying!

P.S. Newton Rings have basically been accepted as the norm. Which I think is unacceptable.


Yeah. That's why I left CGC. They no longer use the inner wells on 50% of their books. Some will have them, some won't. I can't deal with a company that's not uniform.


All of the comics that CGC slabs have an inner well.


CGC dropped the inner well design when they introduced the 4/4/2016 holder.

That created a lot of customer dissatisfaction, the inner well was reintroduced a few months after the 4/2016 holder was introduced.
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Look at the back of my Mattina TMNT Virgin #80 I just got back from CGC



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Collector Logan510 private msg quote post Address this user
Why did you use them then? Newton rings are pretty common with their newer cases.
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Collector Logan510 private msg quote post Address this user
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My recent complaint with CGC. All the modern books I get back are crooked. They lay crooked to the right or left. Super annoying!

P.S. Newton Rings have basically been accepted as the norm. Which I think is unacceptable.


Yeah. That's why I left CGC. They no longer use the inner wells on 50% of their books. Some will have them, some won't. I can't deal with a company that's not uniform.


All of the comics that CGC slabs have an inner well.


CGC dropped the inner well design when they introduced the 4/4/2016 holder.

That created a lot of customer dissatisfaction, the inner well was reintroduced a few months after the 4/2016 holder was introduced.


I think a lot of people get confused because they use different inner wells. On some of the books I get back they're in the old style inner well and on others it's more of a sealed pocket, which has nicer lines but unfortunately as others have attested, the books can get crooked in the case during shipping.
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I think a lot of people get confused because they use different inner wells. On some of the books I get back they're in the old style inner well and on others it's more of a sealed pocket, which has nicer lines but unfortunately as others have attested, the books can get crooked in the case during shipping.


The sealed pocket variant, to me, sucks and doesn't have a recessed inner well to hold the comic book in place to keep it from going crooked within the slab. Some will have them while others will not. You can send in two comics and one might come back with the inner well the other a sealed pocket. That is slack/sloppy to me. IMO, they all need to have the inner well to keep the comic from moving in the slab. Comics with the sealed pocket, will not only get crooked, but the inner pages of the comic will start to separate from the comics front & rear covers within the slab.
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From a business perspective, I think it would be smart to offer first time submitters a discount. Get the customer hooked on one company from the start and the customer most likely would be more apt to use that same company again. Doesn't seem like either company offers any sales or specials.
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As far as TAT goes my philosophy has always been this:

If you need the book back to sell before the market cools off on it, pay for expedited service. If it's just for your collection don't spend the extra money.

A couple things to keep in mind:

1) Comics are safer while in our possession than they are in yours. They're literally kept in a vault.

2) There's no such thing as a comic book emergency.



Uhm, ok. Since I am mainly a seller and rely on this for income I do appreciate them being safe. For your 2nd point I guess I would ask “If you received an email at work saying your pay cheque was going to be delayed by a month and may not be as much would you be so relaxed?”

For me I just prefer stability. Stability in TAT’s, grading and quality. The company that can offer the best of those three has my business. Right now the TAT’s for CGC are unpredictable because returns for reholdering can hit more than 25%. No matter what the TAT’s are once I fill the queue I get books every week.

When is the move?
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Ok. So the straight up modern submission is $16 at CBCS with membership and $16 at CGC (plus $5 invoice fee) with a dealer account.

Fast track at CGC I believe is $8 more for dealers (haven’t fast tracked in awhile) while CBCS has fast pass for an additional $9.

Looks like CBCS is 3-4 weeks longer on moderns right now so i’m Guessing about 2 weeks slower fast pass vs fast tracked.

But I did read about Beckett and now see about a new facility. Future does look bright.

Please correct anything I am missing. Much appreciated.

The tier that really intrigues me is the 2 day modern. Is it really 2 days? That appears to be a decent price and a good jumping off point for me while I transition. Not familiar with a similar CGC tier.


I don't believe it's reasonable to compare the CGC dealer price account with the CBCS member price account. CGC has member accounts and pricing too.

If you qualified for a dealer account with CGC, you probably would be able to get a dealer account with CBCS as well. Modern's are $14 and Fast pass is $8. And did I mention there is no annoying $5 submission fee? Comparing apples to apples, CBCS is less expensive for the modern tier.

Two day modern is a WONDERFUL tier. Besides being really fast, it also has much higher FMV limits ($2,000) So it's great for moderns that you need to be the first selling them to make the most $$ and it's great for books like GS X-Men 1. At this exact moment in time - with all that is going on - it's not really two days. More like a week. But it's been two days in the past and I'm sure will be again. Right now is unique time for CBCS with the purchase by Beckett and the move.


I sent an email last week outlining my current expectations and a few questions. I was not aware of dealer pricing although that was one of my questions. Thanks. :-)

I have about 60 books that I was just about to box. Going to try 10 with the 2 day tier.

One of the challenges is on small margin books. With my volume I am fine making $10 a book net. If the sales price for CBCS in these modern non keys sells for even $5 less then i start to question why I bother grading. Any idea when they are moving?
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Over on the CGC boards the overwhelming thoughts are that CGC is in a "super tight" grading period now


Super tight to them is normal for CBCS.

In my experience, CBCS only lets the best books through to 9.8


I wish I had the CBCS books I bought so I could show you, but I cracked them out as I prefer unslabbed <3

So a "super tight" CGC 9.6 is what...a 9.2 CBCS in your opinion? Maybe a 9.4?

No, I said super tight for them is normal for CBCS. IE a super tight 9.6 CGC would be normal consistent 9.6 you see from cbcs.

That there is the key word that differentiates the companies for me; consistent. CBCS has it.
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@Unknown I've had payroll issues with a few employers in the past, one time for almost 6 weeks. It's never pleasant to deal with but it does happen.

If it's something you need back quickly there's always the option to Fast Pass it. If the market value of the book doesn't justify the cost to do that then odds are the market won't shift that drastically by waiting for the regular TAT.
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Almost forgot... the move is taking place this month. I can't/won't give specific dates on that though.
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Collector DocBrown private msg quote post Address this user
Wise decision.

There are slab rustlers out there, just waiting for an opportunity to waylay a wagonload of slabs moving across the desolate countryside.

I hope you have Dice riding shotgun...

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@Unknown I've had payroll issues with a few employers in the past, one time for almost 6 weeks. It's never pleasant to deal with but it does happen.

If it's something you need back quickly there's always the option to Fast Pass it. If the market value of the book doesn't justify the cost to do that then odds are the market won't shift that drastically by waiting for the regular TAT.


If books are already at CBCS and I notice the TAT’s slow down then can I call and have them flipped to fast pass?
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fast pass


I’m still a bit surprised Disney is cool with CBCS ripping this term


It’s no coincidence,DW is close to home base!
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