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AF 15 Opinion Please6196

Collector ozonetv private msg quote post Address this user
Howdy-

I was wondering if I could get an opinion if the torn corner automatically limits this to a certain grade - and if so, what is it. Otherwise the book is complete, great color, spine is ragged and theres some color breaks up top. Hasn't been pressed or cleaned.

I've seen so many 2.5 and 3.0 that look horrible with tape or detached cover and all bleached out...I'm wondering how an otherwise nice looking copy with a specific defect is judged.

Love to hear what you guys think ..
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Collector Steverogers11 private msg quote post Address this user
Great looking book. Any AF is
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Collector Masochism private msg quote post Address this user
She looks good for 55
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COLLECTOR Stu private msg quote post Address this user
Is it yours or are you looking to buy?
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Collector MR_SigS private msg quote post Address this user
I think 3.5 for the corner. What CBCS or CGC would say, I couldn't guess. Wouldn't be surprised if it got higher, just because it's an AF15 :popcorn:
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Collector ozonetv private msg quote post Address this user
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Is it yours or are you looking to buy?

she's mine.
(at what point did she become a "she" :-)
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COLLECTOR kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user
2.5. The largest piece allowed missing from the front or back cover is usually 1/2" triangle or a 1/4" square.
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Collector gman private msg quote post Address this user
What a damn shame about the corner....but no chipping which is nice. Slab & sell.
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Collector GeeWiz private msg quote post Address this user
Congrats on your piece of history! Great book no matter what the grade
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Collector ozonetv private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by kaptainmyke
2.5. The largest piece allowed missing from the front or back cover is usually 1/2" triangle or a 1/4" square.

Hmm...are they talking about the hypotenuse - or is it a volume measurement? Does it matter if its an isosceles or scalene? Do they measure by the shortest or the longest leg? So many geometry-based questions this opens up.
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Collector ozonetv private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by MR_SigS
I think 3.5 for the corner. What CBCS or CGC would say, I couldn't guess. Wouldn't be surprised if it got higher, just because it's an AF15 :popcorn:


Thats what I thought originally, but now I've heard such a range - all the way down to a 1.5. I'm totally in the dark at this point. Thats why I posted....
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COLLECTOR kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by kaptainmyke
2.5. The largest piece allowed missing from the front or back cover is usually 1/2" triangle or a 1/4" square.


Quoted from the Overstreet Guide to Grading Comics.


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Collector ozonetv private msg quote post Address this user
ok - just so I understand - this would be a 2.5 or less?

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Collector Homer private msg quote post Address this user
If your book in the first post did not have the missing corner, I would rate it as a 3.5 mainly because the spine is rounding, additional creasing and it looks to be a lower spine split. With the additional defect of missing corner down to the 2.0-2.5 range as a max.
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Collector Homer private msg quote post Address this user
In general small missing corners are factored into the grade depending on severity. There are examples of torn remainder covers which do not go higher than 0.5 poor from CGC.
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Collector MR_SigS private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by ozonetv
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Originally Posted by kaptainmyke
2.5. The largest piece allowed missing from the front or back cover is usually 1/2" triangle or a 1/4" square.

Hmm...are they talking about the hypotenuse - or is it a volume measurement? Does it matter if its an isosceles or scalene? Do they measure by the shortest or the longest leg? So many geometry-based questions this opens up.


I've seen an AF15 CGC 4.0 with a larger chunk missing than that. I didn't agree with it. Not sure what CBCS would do.
Usually when giving an opinion in thread's like this, I say what I think the label will get, not what I think it actually is.
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Collector MR_SigS private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by ozonetv
ok - just so I understand - this would be a 2.5 or less?



This would probably get higher than 4.0

CGC's and CBCS's grading guidelines a largely a mystery. When I grade my books, I use Overstreet's guideline.
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COLLECTOR kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by ozonetv
ok - just so I understand - this would be a 2.5 or less?



THAT book right there, having good eye appeal, a better spine and corners, but still a dust shadow, some chipping, and a "tape pull" corner that book could possibly get a 3.0-3.5 (but without seeing the back, of course.)
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Collector BrianGreensnips private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by ozonetv
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Originally Posted by kaptainmyke
2.5. The largest piece allowed missing from the front or back cover is usually 1/2" triangle or a 1/4" square.

Hmm...are they talking about the hypotenuse - or is it a volume measurement? Does it matter if its an isosceles or scalene? Do they measure by the shortest or the longest leg? So many geometry-based questions this opens up.
Being it would have a square corner if it was there, the 1/2" would apply to a right triangle. So the piece missing is well beyond that.
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Collector Steverogers11 private msg quote post Address this user
I'd say 2.5/3.0 nice book
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Collector CopperAgeKids private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by ozonetv
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Originally Posted by kaptainmyke
2.5. The largest piece allowed missing from the front or back cover is usually 1/2" triangle or a 1/4" square.

Hmm...are they talking about the hypotenuse - or is it a volume measurement? Does it matter if its an isosceles or scalene? Do they measure by the shortest or the longest leg? So many geometry-based questions this opens up.


It is not as static as Mike suggests.

I'd say this book is at a minimum, a 2.5 as is.

Plenty of benefit to be had via dry cleaning and pressing...up to a 4.0, would not be out of the question.
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Collector CopperAgeKids private msg quote post Address this user
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I'd say 2.5/3.0 nice book


Agreed.
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COLLECTOR kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user
I have revised my guess now to a 3.0-4.0

Edit : never mind. 2.5
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Collector ozonetv private msg quote post Address this user
Heres another view (btw-its an old label cgc from 1999). I don't want to show the grade 'cause I don't want to influence you guys... just honest opinions here

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COLLECTOR kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user
2.5
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Collector Steverogers11 private msg quote post Address this user
Well missed the part where it's already been graded. Sorry
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Collector ozonetv private msg quote post Address this user
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Well missed the part where it's already been graded. Sorry

old cgc label- so its undergraded (I hope)...also no cleaning or pressing...
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Collector Ditch_Fahrenheit private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by ozonetv
Howdy-

I was wondering if I could get an opinion if the torn corner automatically limits this to a certain grade - and if so, what is it. Otherwise the book is complete, great color, spine is ragged and theres some color breaks up top. Hasn't been pressed or cleaned.

I've seen so many 2.5 and 3.0 that look horrible with tape or detached cover and all bleached out...I'm wondering how an otherwise nice looking copy with a specific defect is judged.

Love to hear what you guys think ..


Hi Ozone,

If you want grade opinions, you really need big scans like this


(Click to Embiggen)





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Collector ozonetv private msg quote post Address this user
Just messaged you...very cool to see this!
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