Edgar Church/Mile High Action Comics #12808
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| As we know, a few years ago an Action Comics 1 9.0 sold for $3.2 million on eBay won by Metropolis Comics. My understanding is the Edgar Church /Mile High Action Comics #1 is likely to be a 9.4 maybe 9.6 grade. The owner refuses to have it graded for reasons unknown. My question is if the Action Comics 1 is indeed a 9.4 or even 9.6 what do you think it's worth? | ||
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| $5 million. The owner doesnt want to pay a huge amount to get it graded. CGC will charge him on FMV... $3k to grade a comic? Lol | ||
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| whatever someone is going to put as max bid against hariri + 1 increment | ||
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Is it going up for sale? If not then no reason for the owner to waste thousands of dollars, just pick up a $15 Comic Skin case.  |
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| I think this comic is generally considered to be in the best condition and no other Action Comics 1 would grade higher. Because of this, the book has almost unlimited potential. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego You're right of course but it's interesting to speculate the possibilities. |
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| I heard the Allentown Detective Comics 27 makes fun of the Edgar Church Action 1 and calls it bird cage lining. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by JWKyle Ok, now me wants a movie where comic books come to life and talk to each other, like Toy Story. |
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| I have been told by a reliable source that DrWatson and The Watcher are going to post 3 million each and co-own it as an investment. | ||
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| Only 6 million? I think Mallrats had a bigger budget than that. |
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| The book is worth millions & they don't want to spend a few grand to get it graded? Now, I don't have an extra $3k laying around, but the contrast there seems extreme. Could it be they don't want to put a finite number grade on it to keep the mystery? Just more speculation to drive the price up at auction? |
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| they need to send it to Steve and get it pressed to a 9.8. | ||
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| Steve has pressed one to a 10, it now resides in JWKyle's longbox. #truestory | ||
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 I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life.
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| Ahem | ||
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| Shouldn't a book like that be put in a museum? Is there a "Comic Book" Museum? I must google this. | ||
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| There's the Geppi Pop Culture museum run by the guy that owns Diamond. It has an Action Comics #1 on display. That's not to say they can't have two. |
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| Comic Book Men visited there in one episode, Walt asked to sniff the Action #1. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego  Im going to make it to the museum one day.. |
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If you sniff a man who sniffed Action Comics #1, do you absorb some of it's power?  |
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| Yes...that's how you become the Iron Fist. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego A 6 mil bid from them is not so much a bid or an offer...as it is a "friendly" ultimatum. |
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| 1. Mile High/Edgar Church Copy of Action #1 The best copy of the first appearance of Superman, the single most important American comic, wins this particular horse race. This was the easiest book on the list to position (although #2 is a virtual tie in that regard.) A truly legendary comic, speculation about the value and (more recently) condition of this book has been a favorite topic of conversation for hard core (and even some not so hard core) collectors for more than 30 years. The current owner, (hereby referred to as "The Dentist"  , famously "overpaid" for this book in 1984, spending an unimaginable $25,000 on it. At the time, people openly questioned his sanity. Fortune favors the bold apparently, as that $25,000 investment is now worth a lot more. There is a popular anecdote that "The Dentist" turned down a $2,000,000 offer from coin dealer Jay Parrino when Parrino was exploring the comics hobby early in the CGC era. That was over 15 years ago. In all the years since we've only had two comics sell for more than that and this copy is better and more historic than either of those (although both are also on this list.) This book is now worth hundreds of times what he paid in 1984.Speculation about the book's condition is also a popular topic in today's condition-conscious, CGC world. The best estimate of its condition are anecdotal. Stephen Fischler from Metropolis Comics and Steve Borock from CBCS have both seen it and have provided grade estimates. Fischler, certainly someone in position to know having owned and sold more Action #1s than anyone in the hobby (including multiple copies on this list), says that the book would be an unrestored 9.2 (on CGC's ten point scale) if it were in a CGC holder. Steve Borock, former President and Primary Grader at CGC and founder at CBCS, says it would be a 9.4. Until we see a photo or a high resolution scan, or CGC gets their hands on it down in Sarasota, that estimation is as good as we're going to get. Of course, regardless of the number attached to the book, it's generally agreed that this is the best copy and if that's truly the case the technical grade is practically irrelevant. It's the best copy of the best book from the best pedigree and it's in the best collection on the planet. It wins. Estimated Value: $7,500,000 2. Allentown Copy of Detective Comics #27 If the Church Action #1 is the #1 book in the hobby, then this book is #1a. The best copy of the first appearance of Batman is another book owned by "The Dentist" and it's another book for the speculation files in terms of grade. Called NM/MT when it was sold in 1990, this book is generally accepted to be the best copy, and unlike the Mile High Action #1 this book is supposed to be the best by a pretty wide margin. I've always assumed it was at least a 9.4, but judging by some of the other books from the Allentown collection images of a 9.6 Detective Comics #27 dance through my head from time to time. If you're thinking "Does this guy really daydream about million dollar comics?" The answer is, "On occasion, yes." To be honest, I'd pay $50 for a high res photo or a scan of this book. Estimated Value: $6,500,000 3. Detective Comics #27 CGC 9.2 The newest entry into the list. I do not know with 100% accuracy where this book came from. I've spoken to several people and gotten differing opinions on this book's origin and absolutely no one wants to talk about this book on the record. So, I speculate… I think there are three reasonable possibilities for this book. ◾It's an unknown book, freshly graded. ◾It's the "other high grade copy" (see #6) resurfacing 20+ years after selling for $101k. This book was listed in Overstreet as a FN68, but people who have seen it think it's much nicer- right around 9.2. I've had it on the World's Most Valuable Comic Books list for ages. ◾It's the "missing" Mastronet copy returned from its vacation and pressed up to a 9.2. Looking at the scan that follows and checking the grading notes it's a possibility. It was graded harshly at the time (just look at it!) and had some pressable defects (non-breaking "finger creases", etc.) Since I know nothing for sure, I'm going to treat the three books as separate entries on the list. As for value, I wrote up my reasoning in depth in 2015. I think this is the most valuable CGC graded book. Estimated Value: $4,000,000 4. Action Comics CGC 9.0 White Pages action-1-cgc-9 This book was purchased from the original owner by Joe Mannarino from All Star Auctions in the late 1970s. It sold to an unknown collector and sat in his collection for another 30 years until it came up for private sale in 2011. At the time, the book was graded at 8.0 by CGC. It sold to Darren Adams of Pristine Comics for somewhere north of $1,000,000. Somewhere in the intervening 3 years the book was regraded at least twice- once to 8.5 and then again at 9.0. The book, tied for highest graded with significantly better preservation, was listed on eBay (of all places) selling to Metropolis Comics for their client Ayman Hariri (and his Impossible Collection) for a whopping $3,207,852.00 Estimated Value:$3,750,000 5. "Nic Cage" Action Comics CGC 9.0 Action Comics #1 CGC 9.0What a strange history this book has had. It was sold, with Metropolis presumably waving the paddle, to actor Nic Cage at Sothebys in 1992 for 82,500 dollars. At the time the book was graded at a 74 by the Sothebys grading committee. Cage held onto the book in his world class comic collection until, one day in 2000 the book, along with two others, was stolen from his house. Fast forward to the year 2011. Several comics had sold for huge sums. Pent up demand had been sated with a series of big ticket sales, including a succession of golden age keys that had run the comic book sales record quickly from $1,000,000 to $1,075,000 to $1,500,000. Then the Cage copy resurfaced. The book was subsequently graded by CGC at 9.0 (with Cream to Off-White pages) and was listed with Comic Connect, selling at their November 30, 2011 auction for $2,161,000. A record at the time. Also owned by Ayman Hariri. Estimated Value:$3,250,000 6. The "other" high grade copy of Detective Comics #27 I've had this book pretty definitively quoted as being a 9.*. Interestingly, it was listed as only a FN68 in the 24th edition of the Overstreet Price Guide. I'd love to know why there's such a discrepancy. Still, the people I've talked to about it say it's an extremely nice book and would be the highest graded and best available if it were to come up for sale. In that same guide it was listed as having sold twice in a year- once for $81,000 then again for $101,000. The latter figure, I believe, makes this the first documented member of the $100,000 Club. I say "documented", because John Verzyl told me that he spent over $100,000 for the Church Marvel Comics #1 when he purchased it in the 80s (!) I've placed this book here, tied in value with the Cage copy of Action #1. This assumes it's a 9.0 copy. As we've seen, if this book were the 9.2 copy it would rank third, alone. Estimated Value:$3,000,000 7. Best Existing Superman #1 "The Dentist's" copy. I've heard a range of grades for this book ranging from 8.0 to 9.2. Considering this is the copy he chose to keep out of all the copies available to him over the years (including the Church copy) I would guess that it's nearer the 9.* end of that range. As to value on this book, the Church copy sold for $170,000 nearly twenty years ago and a 7.5 sold for $250,000 in the oughts. We also have heard tale told that the Church copy traded hands for big bucks in 2009 (rumors have ranged from $500,000 to $1,000,000.) This book would clearly blow all of those numbers out of the water, being the best copy of one of the top five books in the hobby. This is especially true since Superman #1 is a book that is notoriously difficult to acquire in high grade. From my research it's this book, the Church copy (a sketchy 8.0) and then the 7.5 at the high end of the grading spectrum. Compare that to the half dozen copies of Marvel Comics #1 over 8.0 and a bunch of Action #1s in high grade and you'll see why I push this book up as high as it is. To editorialize for a moment, the Church copy is an absolute stunner. Apparently, it's got internal damage that brings it down a little bit technically, but I remember it looking a lot nicer than the CGC 8.0 it received when I saw it way back when. Estimated Value: $3,000,000 8. Action Comics #1 CGC 8.5 For a time, this book was the most valuable comic ever sold. Then the 9.0s came along. A gorgeous copy. Without the rusted staples it would be even nicer (if that's even possible.) Estimated Value:$2,500,000 9. Mile High/Edgar Church Copy of Marvel Comics #1 marvel-comics-1-church.jpg I'm listing this book this high because it's possibly the best technical copy of any major Golden Age key book, it represents the dawn of the Marvel Universe and it's the Church copy. For many years prices on Marvel Comic #1s were weak. I don't think that weakness ever applied to this copy (it's always been on the list) and, what's more, Marvel Comics #1 has seemed to strengthen over the past few years. Estimated Value: $2,250,000 10. Mile High/Edgar Church Detective Comics #27 The Church copy is reportedly nicer (I've had around 8.5 quoted to me) than the 2 8.0s and is the Church copy. What more argument do you need? For perspective's sake, this book sold for $125,000 almost twenty years ago and an 8.0 Detective 27 (coming right up) sold for $1,075,000 in 2010. That $125,000 investment looks pretty good from where I'm sitting. Estimated Value: $2,250,000 https://itsalljustcomics.com/the-most-valuable-comic-books-in-the-world/ |
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| wow. impressive history lesson to be learnt there | ||
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| CBCS should offer to slab it free just for the sake of protecting history. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego And bragging rights.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by 00slim Boy, just imagine how that would stick in CGC's crawl! @SteveBorock are you reading this? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by kaptainmyke If this list is considered credible or informed I find it very interesting that (#1) Action Comics #1 in a 9.2 possibly 9.4 is estimated to be a full million dollars more than (#2) Detective Comics #27 at a 9.4 possibly 9.6. If there was ever any dispute, this list is proof Superman is king. |
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| The only reason for that is he was historically first. Batman still rules. | ||
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| Wow fantastic read | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by DarthLego Plus the free publicity for it being in a CBCS case. It would make major news outlets top story. |
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