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| Why are newsstand issues popping higher values than direct sales? I get if the newsstand issue is more rare, but if it has the same issue count, what's the deal with the higher price? Here's a good article that I read that discussed prices of direct -vs- newsstand. Do they have it right? https://jmontycomics.com/newsstand-editions-v-direct-editions-everything-explained/#:~:text=Understanding%20the%20difference%20is%20important,command%20a%20much%20higher%20price. |
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| In my experience newsstands are harder to find in higher grades. That would have to be a factor in pricing. Plus as the article says, people like what they like! |
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| In my experience, the vast majority of books are the same in newsstand and direct. The biggest differences can be seen in key issues and Spawn issues. Hype drives some of the values so beware. | ||
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| Check the actual sales numbers and you'll see that even for books where the ratio of direct to newsstand heavily favours newsstand, there are far fewer sales of high grade newsstand books. | ||
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| It depends on the comic and the time it was released. Spawn came out in the 90s when fewer newsstands were being made. It's harder to find a high-grade newsstand of Spawn than a direct copy. The same can be said for GI Joe. The later issues of GI Joe that came out in the 90s will cost more because of the lower print run. If the GI Joes are in newsstands they will cost even more. It has to do more with the comics having lower print runs. | ||
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| People like pay extra for distribution methods but not pence copies. Try finding that shit in a 9.8 | ||
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| . Most moderns are so plentiful, the hobby crafted a way to create a sense of rarity by differentiating these books according to distribution method. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Studley_Dudley Values are starting to come up on foreign cover price editions. This UKPV Nova #1 is worth more than double the US edition according to sales.  This CPV Alpha Flight #1 could fetch at least 3x as much as a US edition in the same grade.  For me, the challenge has been in finding them in high grade. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by ronbatman This is true. Keys in a newsstand edition will command a higher price, but the newsstand edition in and of itself doesn't mean that much. If the direct edition of a book is a non-seller, the newsstand edition won't magically become hot simply because it's a newsstand edition. The book has to be something people would buy in the first place before you'll get collectors clamouring for newsstand editions. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck Not necessarily. Newsstand editions really are harder to find, even for books from years when the distribution of newsstand editions was higher. Take a look at Alpha Flight #1 (I'm picking on this one and a couple others because I know I can find numbers for them). It came out in mid-1983, when there were more newsstand editions than there were direct editions, though the numbers were starting to equalise. Despite the fact that there were more newsstand editions printed/distributed, there have been, in recent years, only 40 sales of graded newsstand editions versus 1,505 sales of graded direct editions. Hawkeye #1 (1st limited series) came out around the same time, and there have been 11 recent sales of graded newsstand editions (I sold one of those) and 265 graded direct editions. Same goes for Thor #337: 1,078 graded newsstand editions sold versus 3,088 direct editions sold. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Byrdibyrd I hear ya, but wouldn’t you agree that the newsstand vs direct value distinction seems to be a rather recent phenomenon? In over 20 years in operation, even CGC has just recently acknowledged the difference between the two on their labels. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck I completely agree. It was a bit predictable, though, because a lot of other things having to do with distribution and lack thereof have had an effect on the value of books for many, many years. Things like cover price variants have had added value for ages, but when I worked in my LCS in the early-to-mid-80s, it wasn't a factor yet. It came later. Same for Mark Jeweler inserts. No one cared at the time, but after a while, collectors finally caught on to the inherent rarity of these books. Next, it was Whitman editions and newsstand vs direct. When CGC started, it wasn't A Thing yet and up until now, they've been too pedantic to acknowledge they may need to change their ways. At least right now, it's finally time to acknowledge that foreign cover price editions are also worthwhile. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Byrdibyrd Like CPV’s   |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck I've been picking up a few here and there, and CPVs in high grade cost COIN, especially for keys. |
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| So with the pence versions, are there also direct and newsstand versions? And would the same rarity timeline apply to those? | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by sigep815 To the best of my knowledge, all foreign cover price editions are newsstand. There's no direct distribution to foreign countries (someone please correct me if I'm wrong). As for print ratios of domestic print runs vs. overseas print runs, I have no clue. I think someone may have addressed this at some point but my rubbish memory has decided now is the time to show its age. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck Does that matter (the label) though if the cgc census doesn’t have a newsstand category? Ps: great conversation everyone. I’m learning a lot. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by multi007 That's a good question. It never occurred to me to check. Maybe they've added newsstand numbers now that they're listing that on labels? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by multi007 Precisely. That’s how insignificant the difference between newsstand and direct was to CGC. Now, it’s presumably too late to accurately record the distinction within the census. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck They can include what they're doing right now, and they did invite customers to re-holder previously graded newsstand editions in order to get a corrected label. However, they also expected customers to foot the bill for that, and since most newsstands are easily identified by the fugly barcode right on the cover, I don't see lots of people taking them up on that. |
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| I’ll use a recent example I noticed. Transformers #1 9.6 newsstand - $521.87 https://www.ebay.com/itm/275692495732 Transformers #1 9.6 direct - $307.00 https://www.ebay.com/itm/394471964158 |
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| There's no denying that when it comes to a desirable book, a newsstand edition will go for a higher price than a direct edition. It doesn't matter that there were more newsstand editions printed for this book than direct editions. The direct editions survived and the newsstand editions got trashed by spinner racks, the little kids who got the books, and any that didn't sell were destroyed. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by multi007 This is why I'm so stoked when a newsstand edition comes back with a 9.8  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Byrdibyrd This is true as far as I've been able to find as well, and I've been specifically looking for any newsstand or other type of distribution differences in other counties for over a year now and I haven't been able to find any yet, other than a couple mail away and subscription models. I don't think it exists but the hunt always continues. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Byrdibyrd I have a CBCS 9.0 UKPV of Nova #1. I might be able to retire early if people are paying obscene amounts for that... The perception has changed a bit and the cat is out of the bag now, so people will buy the pence copies now, but before you were looking at prices up to 30% less and some sellers in the UK even price them below their cents counterparts. CPVs is where is gets interesting for me. I do want an Alpha Flight #1 CPV, but I'm not paying out the ass for it. I'll wait for the market to collapse on itself again before I start going crazy. Anyways, my theory on the CPVs is since they have the regular dollar and cents signs, and not a p, d, or /- after the price, people don't find them as offputting and will shell out for it. Quote: Originally Posted by sigep815 No. Marvel published UK price variants (UKPV) from May 1960 until December 1981. A little less than half of Marvel's published work is known to have a corresponding UKPV. It seems the UKPV were printed on the direct edition version. I have some X-Men UKPV with a regular barcode but it seems to be before the slash took effect to denote direct editions. The rarity exists because even the Brits turned their noses up at the UKPV since comic books were seen as an American thing, so they would want the cents version. "Direct Edition" UKPV   The distribution, however, was to the newsstands over in the UK or comics shops if they existed back then. Some of the earlier UKPV have "Thorpe and Porter" printed/stamped on the inside cover or by the indicia as they were the UK distributor for Marvel and DC back then. I should get the pence thread revived from the archive. As for newsstands being more valuable or selling at higher prices, it's a smaller collector group, but a rabid one so they're willing to pay. That's the easiest way to look at it from my perspective. |
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| I like that Jmonty article. A lot good info in one place. The market has been eating up newsstands. If we ignore the “it’s worth what you will pay for” mantra they are not always worth a premium. Somehow the high grade Newsstand rarity stretched its way through the bronze age which is not true. Distributed newsstands copies were the majority through the early 80s, 50/50 by mid 80s, then the market shifts to a majority of Direct distribution by 1990 while Newsstands plummet from there to a mere 1% by 2013. |
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| If we’re strictly looking at rarity as a factor it does not hold for all eras. Now a collector who has a majority of a run in newsstands would probably pay the premium to keep the collection uniform and for that reason only. I could see the same for early directs, but we all know those are going to fall to the wayside simply because they have the reverse reasoning of being plentiful in high grade. It’s a numbers game. The same collectors were purchasing from early newsstands that were eventually purchasing from a specialty shop as the distribution shifted. I’m reality it’s a numbers game of quantity produced for a specific market and many were cared for or untouched to survive in higher grades. I’d put money on an early direct copy selling for far less than the newsstand counterpart that outnumbered it because the Newsstand is more rare in high grade due to the “because it’s a newsstand” mindset. | ||
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| @Studley_Dudley Thanks! Lots of great info!  |
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| @Studley_Dudley So. In regards to pence books, do you think they are now being valued equal to their USA counterparts? Or possibly more?  |
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| @Studley_Dudley I’ve never taken the World market into consideration when looking at Direct vs Newsstand. Only the US market. Very interesting how you described UKPV and Newsstand. | ||
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