What's the word on CBCS grading reputation?13490
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EbayMafia private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Just curious what others have come across online or otherwise regarding CBCS reputation for grading comics. I don't really hear anything negative the way people scoff about PGX. If anything I've heard that people are afraid of getting a grading ding at CBCS more than anything else. And concern that the market just hasn't accepted the CBCS brand yet the way it has accepted CGC. But I haven't seen any legitimate rationale for de-valuing a CBCS graded book vs. CGC. I haven't seen any bashing of the grading integrity overall. Are there any prominent voices out there who continue to disparage CBCS? | ||
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| I've also read on a few forums that CBCS is a harsher grader than CGC. My hope is that turns into a good thing in the market eventually, adding more value to CBCS books than its competitors down the road. | ||
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| It's 2 items. CGC has been around so much longer, but also evaluating the same book and seeing the results for differences. Sometimes, a little extra effort and expense can make a difference on long term steps for investments. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Paint_Monk It's a little scary when submitting something like a Flash 110 where the difference between a 5.5 and a 6.0 could be $100, difference between 6.5 and 7.0 might be $250. But I have to admit I was pleased with the grades I got back on my last submission, which was mostly high-grade books from the 80's. |
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 We should have the forum rate our packages.
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HeinzDad private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Money driven... go with CGC. Quality/personal driven, CBCS. The new slabs have people paying attention, soon the masses will realize. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by det_tobor We tend to think of resistance to CBCS as natural and normal being that CGC had been in the market for so long. But I think it goes further than that. By time CBCS arrived, the big players had an invested financial interest in CGC. By that I mean that they had many thousands of dollars in inventory with the CGC label on it. So resistance to the CBCS label was probably more personal and financial than it was natural and normal. But I think the Signature Verification program will ultimately overcome that resistance. Signature Verification forces the market to include CBCS, and I think this will ultimately wear down the resistance and lead to the market accepting CBCS graded books as equal in value to CGC. Like I said previously, there is no rational reason for the market to de-value a CBCS graded book...it's purely emotional. I think Signature Verification will be the key to overcoming that emotion. |
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| People tend to prop up CGC more but it’s obvious with more CGC books in collections they are doing it to inflate the value of their own books. CBCS and CGC are almost exactly the same grading wise as they should be. CBCS has better cases by far, not even close. I also think I’ve seen more mistakes with CGC but that is probably due to higher volume of graded books. | ||
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| I would think of CBCS as more accurate as opposed to more strict or harsher. If one grading company relaxes its standards, is the opposing grading company grading stricter or simply accurately? | ||
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HeinzDad private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I would think of CBCS as more accurate as opposed to more strict or harsher. Ding , ding, ding, well said. |
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BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Its human nature to be bias for the one you prefer. I don't see either as being more accurate or Strict with their grading. The Grading standards are basically the same for both and as long as human's are doing the grading its all subjective. I can also understand why collectors who have been heavily invested in CGC books over the years have a vested interest in supporting the CGC Brand, But I personally won't give any kind of premium for a CGC Book over a CBCS book. I prefer the new CBCS slab so much that I personally might even give a premium for the CBCS slab. I also do not price my CBCS books any higher or lower than CGC books and I have had no problems selling my CBCS slabs for the same price as any CGC slabs. I think it's all just "Comic Politics" |
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| Circling back to my initial post...is anyone on social media currently arguing that a CBCS graded book will be lower quality than a CGC graded book? Does anyone try to argue that CBCS grades too loose relative to CGC? | ||
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| Over the last 3 years, after first hearing of CBCS in 2017, here's what I've gathered: Negatives/<CGC: Labels, pressing turnaround, lower sold prices, no census (remedied this year), no magazine sized slabs, no registry Positives/>CGC: Everything else, including the forum. I've never seen a social media post stating they grade too loosely. |
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| Word is CBCS is the best. | ||
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| I havent seen a huge difference in grading for them, people on this forum tend to say cbcs is more accurate, people on the cgc forum say the same about them. But overall they're about the same. PGX was a little looser with their grades and their cases are awful. Now that cbcs changed their cases I'd say they're about the same as cgc. The only thing I'd like to see are custom labels like cgc has. Cgc just in general has had a lengthier reputation and that has helped drive their prices a little higher, which is only natural. That's like having 2 cars, one tried and true company that's been around forever and another newer company that not many people know...the older company can demand a higher price for the same car and they'll still sell. |
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| I’d echo what has been said. I generally hear CBCS is “tougher” on grading than CGC. Now, in all fairness, CGC is fine and they do a pretty solid job for the volume they get. Having said that, being first matters a lot. For a lot of people they are “THE Brand” when it comes to grading services. It takes a lot of work to fight that public perception. However, I think CBCS is taking the right steps to make some noise. And at the end of the day, I’d rather have “tougher” grading if I’m going to own a book. |
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| I'll choose not to discuss what I hear; only what I personally observe. With sample sizes of greater than 30 for both companies, CGC quality control and grading accuracy is just not there anymore. It really isn't. I have gotten a few 9.8's that I literally laugh at. My Venom 3 with a 1/4" color break bend in the corner got a 9.8 (thank you to my presser) I won't even get into their quality control with letting out product that is just flat out poor in various ways. They have become the huge corporate machine that just doesn't care with really only one company (CBCS) challenging them. When I get my CBCS books back (n = 30+), I may not be happy always, but I feel they're fair and accurate within 0.2 - 0.5. I'm ok with that differential. Flat out mistakes with CBCS, for me, have been non-existent. It is unfortunate if there is perceived value differential on secondary sales, because based on my observations, I know where I will get a end quality product with reasonable grading accuracy; and it's not across the road. CBCS gives me confidence when I ultimately ditch my slabs. I am going to have a hard time, internally, selling a few of my CGC 9.8 slabs that there is no way, are 9.8. No friggin way. |
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Wish people would click on the 'who are we' or whatever links!!! Steve was the CGC head grader and co-founder.....that right away puts CBCS on par with CGC in my books...although I've never delved into why he felt the need to leave and start a competing company (gonna guess internal politics??) |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 I've sent in 800+ books to be slabbed. Most with CGC, but I'm favoring CBCS these days. I've had a few errors with CGC that have concerned me and I'm presuming these mistakes happen because of their sheer volume. Label errors happen, I get that, and CGC has been great at fixing them. But in the last year I've had problems with their resto check. It's worked both ways for me. With one purple book, I had the book regraded and they found five more areas of color touch that they didn't find the first time. The second was a purple book with color touch that I sent in for regrading and it came back blue. I've had trimming assigned to what was actually just a poorly centered book. Another book (an AF15) had a small piece missing from the cover that they flagged as trimming. This kind of stuff drives me crazy. |
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| The people that know CBCS (that's us) choose CBCS for their obvious advantages over the competition. We're not biased. For the most part we made a calculated choice based on observations that have already been stated. CGC has held a virtual monopoly for so long that a significant portion of collectors are conditioned to accept nothing else. I hear CGC slabs sell for more than CBCS. This has not been my experience. I am not a large volume seller but my CGC and CBCS slabs (everything else being equal) will be priced exactly the same....and sell for the same. When I started slabbing several years back I was a CGC guy in that there was no other real choice. Then my friend told me there was a new player on the scene captained by Steve Borock. This absolutely got my attention. To me, at that moment, hearing Steve started CBCS, (which obviously meant he was no longer at CGC) kind of removed any "shine" CGC had. Reputation is everything...Steve has a great reputation...this made me switch to CBCS. I also hear people say CBCS is a small player in the industry. I'm not sure why that matters even if that's true (which I personally don't believe to be true). Maybe they're trying to say CBCS won't be around in 10 years or so...not sure if that's what they mean. Bottom line is quality of output....CBCS's output is of higher quality than anyone else in the industry in almost every respect. Any negative stories out there are usually one-off situations or ardent CGC customers who can't/won't give anyone else a chance. |
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| @GAC Well said. And no doubt CBCS runs a tight ship. It might be the wrong perception but I feel like if I crack a CGC slab at 9.8 and send it to CBCS, it’ll come in at a lower grade (in a lot of circumstances) and if I cracked 9.2 CBCS, CGC would probably give it a higher grade. And, I’m okay with it. I feel like my 9.8 CBCS slabs earned their grade and for collecting, that’s all I really want. Now, if I were flipping, I might think differently, though. |
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Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @GAC Bravo - so well stated! |
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| CGC - Picture is not so good, but hopefully all can see the color break corner crease that was pressed for flatness. Color break areas can be flattened via press, but the 1/2" color break obviously remains. Now what the heck do I do with this in good faith being it was graded at 9.8? Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think 1/2" color breaks are allowable in 9.8? I really feel this is just a big corporate machine that is not even looking all that hard at (at least) Modern books anymore for accuracy. I see so many Ebay posts summarized as "9.4, but looks 9.8!". I've got the reverse great selling feature: "9.8 but looks 9.4!!"  grrrrr  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by KatKomics That - and the ties to Beckett and their name in the collectibles industry - was why I decided to send my first order to CGCS. And the timing was perfect; I got in just as the new cases were being rolled out. |
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I don't believe this....and I know you don't care that I don't believe this.
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
@Nuffsaid111 Thank you my good man!   |
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GAC private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Nuffsaid111 I hear you on this one...still a high grade book for sure but probably not a 9.8. What if the book was a 10 otherwise...would that defect still put it out of 9.8 range? |
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 I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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| From my online sales results I would say there a great demand for books graded by CBCS and CGC. Many people have a preference but I think both companies are reputable. |
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| I have seen word getting around that if you need help from CBCS concerning a submission, you go to the forum instead of CS. Some might see that and find it hard to take CBCS seriously. I remember reading too many posts where the customer was asked to return the problem slab[s] with their next submission of 5-10 books. Unacceptable response. Apparently they don't say that anymore, so that's good. |
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Nuffsaid111 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by GAC Good point. Never considered a 10. I think 10's are ... what... about 0.12% of all total submissions? Something like that? In fact, maybe that's my method of justifying selling it without feeling bad. I.e. "It's a 10 except for..... "  |
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