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What to do with a book missing a page?863

Collector adgbiking private msg quote post Address this user
Hey Everyone!

I recently found myself in a situation where I purchased a copy of Superman #12 from 1941. The book ended up missing the last page which I somehow overlooked before I purchased the book and sent it to CGC. (I know I should have counted the pages ) Anyway the book came back from CGC as a 4.0 Qualified Grade with a note that the last page is missing and that it does not effect the story. Well now I am trying to weigh my options. If I am able to find myself a coverless or incomplete copy of Superman #12 with the last page/wrap intact should I marry this page/wrap to my graded copy? This would then make the book restored I would assume? Should I just tape the page into the book because tape is not considered restoration? Should I just put the page in the book and leave it not attached? I'm not sure how this would effect the grade if I had the book regraded. Anyways it would be great to get some advice!

Thanks!

Aaron
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Collector Swampy private msg quote post Address this user
If it doesn't affect the story, who cares, leave it as is.
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Collector adgbiking private msg quote post Address this user
For sure! I hear you. The only reason for asking is considering resale value. I ending up may over paying for the book because of the missing page. I am just trying to figure out if there is anyway to increase the value of the book or if I am just SOL. Thanks!
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For sure! I hear you. The only reason for asking is considering resale value. I ending up may over paying for the book because of the missing page


Oh yeah, thats a good point. Have you tried to return it?
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Collector adgbiking private msg quote post Address this user
It was a CL buy so I think im kinda SOL with that option lol. The persons selling the book were not collectors just received the book from a parent
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Collector rickdod3 private msg quote post Address this user
Considering you got the book off craigslist, I doubt you will lose money on the resale (Unless you paid a ton for it of course).

Even with the last page missing that is still a huge key book for someone.
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COLLECTOR DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user
If you can find a suitable doner book with that wrap intact and marry it, it is considered restoration. But I think that would be considered minor restoration? If you got it slabbed by CBCS after marrying it they will give it a blue label and note the resto.
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Collector MR_SigS private msg quote post Address this user
Matterus023 has a Hulk with a married wrap that got a green label.
Thinking about it, I'm now wondering how it got green and not purple. I understand how one gets a blue instead of a green (if they wish), but I didn't think one could get either a green or purple.
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Collector Kinzebac private msg quote post Address this user
Green versus Purple can be extremely complicated. The CGC boards have a great in depth discussion of Green vs Blue.

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=4421055#Post4421055
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Collector MR_SigS private msg quote post Address this user
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Green versus Purple can be extremely complicated. The CGC boards have a great in depth discussion of Green vs Blue.

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=4421055#Post4421055


Especially when reading a Green vs Blue thread. LOL :poke:
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Collector Kinzebac private msg quote post Address this user
@MR_SigS I thought I would start with Green vs. Blue before bringing in the big guns.
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Collector Swampy private msg quote post Address this user
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Matterus023 has a Hulk with a married wrap that got a green label.
Thinking about it, I'm now wondering how it got green and not purple. I understand how one gets a blue instead of a green (if they wish), but I didn't think one could get either a green or purple.


I always thought the Green label was for ONE big problem that wasn't really restoration per se. If you rip a page out of a 9.8 book, you wouldn't call that restoration, If someone signs your book unwitnessed, you wouldn't call it color touch, would you? I think the Green label is for instances like this.

Not really sure about the Hulk though - it might have been graded like the page was missing?
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Collector Kinzebac private msg quote post Address this user
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Matterus023 has a Hulk with a married wrap that got a green label.
Thinking about it, I'm now wondering how it got green and not purple. I understand how one gets a blue instead of a green (if they wish), but I didn't think one could get either a green or purple.


I always thought the Green label was for ONE big problem that wasn't really restoration per se. If you rip a page out of a 9.8 book, you wouldn't call that restoration, If someone signs your book unwitnessed, you wouldn't call it color touch, would you? I think the Green label is for instances like this.


This is a good way to sum it up.


It is usually something missing (e.g. coupon clipped or page missing that does not affect the story), or something that has been added but not altered (e.g. a married original page).
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Collector MR_SigS private msg quote post Address this user
I was looking at category one (which mentions missing wrap) but didn't notice category three showing that married covers or pages get green labels.

Learning rocks!

Still surprised this isn't resto, though. Not that it matters.
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Considering you got the book off craigslist, I doubt you will lose money on the resale (Unless you paid a ton for it of course).

Even with the last page missing that is still a huge key book for someone.


I actally paid $675 for the book I figured the book was about a 4.0 - 5.0 so I figured it was worth the case. I have attempted to sell the book for $500 OBO to just cut my loses and put the money toward a book im more interested in like a hulk 181 or something. Anyways if anyone is looking for a Superman #12! Lol
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Collector matterus023 private msg quote post Address this user
Regarding resto, qualified, conserved etc etc it can boggle the mind. Just when you think you have it sussed the goal posts are changed.

Many have varying opinions on it all but the resale value varies a lot between the 3 mentioned.

@DarthLego I could be wrong but I don't think CBCS put resto on a comic with just married pages. Seen even ones with trimmed pages and married and says TRIMMED where resto goes. Think they just put MARRIED. Will try find an example

Ok so just found this. Trimmed and married but not classed as restored.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/STRANGE-TALES-2-GRADE-CBCS-3-COMPLETE-/162029545558?hash=item25b9b6a856&nma=true&si=S6Xc2HSuLcMZo2GYJWH6zJnjHbQ%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
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Collector adgbiking private msg quote post Address this user
What do you figure CBCS would grade the book the way it is with the missing page? A .3?
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Collector matterus023 private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by adgbiking
Hey Everyone!

I recently found myself in a situation where I purchased a copy of Superman #12 from 1941. The book ended up missing the last page which I somehow overlooked before I purchased the book and sent it to CGC. (I know I should have counted the pages ) Anyway the book came back from CGC as a 4.0 Qualified Grade with a note that the last page is missing and that it does not effect the story. Well now I am trying to weigh my options. If I am able to find myself a coverless or incomplete copy of Superman #12 with the last page/wrap intact should I marry this page/wrap to my graded copy? This would then make the book restored I would assume? Should I just tape the page into the book because tape is not considered restoration? Should I just put the page in the book and leave it not attached? I'm not sure how this would effect the grade if I had the book regraded. Anyways it would be great to get some advice!

Thanks!

Aaron


This is as far as I know it

1. If you marry professionally a page from somewhere else it isn't resto no. Well as the comic doesn't have anything else going on with it

2. If you just tape another page in they will also know by the subtle differences this page is from another copy. Will also class as married.

3. If yuo just place it in will class as say 5th page detached (some people careful cut singles out) which will also be qualified or blue label if you ask or not lol. This one can be an awkward one as seen them come back all sorts. If centerfold detached is also qualified

But as @Mr_SigS pointed out earlier you can ask (with CGC anyway) that they give a blue label instead of green (in cgc's case green). You will get a lower grade but blue.

CBCS and CGC have different approaches and label systems. Best thing to do is contact CBCS directly. Good luck
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Collector Kinzebac private msg quote post Address this user
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What do you figure CBCS would grade the book the way it is with the missing page? A .3?


It would be a 0.5 incomplete book with CBCS.
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Collector matterus023 private msg quote post Address this user
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What do you figure CBCS would grade the book the way it is with the missing page? A .3?


It would be a 0.5 incomplete book with CBCS.


Spot on
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Collector Kinzebac private msg quote post Address this user
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What do you figure CBCS would grade the book the way it is with the missing page? A .3?


It would be a 0.5 incomplete book with CBCS.


Spot on


This is where CGC really wins out with their qualified label system in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by Kinzebac
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What do you figure CBCS would grade the book the way it is with the missing page? A .3?


It would be a 0.5 incomplete book with CBCS.


Spot on


This where CGC really wins out with their qualified label system in my opinion.


Again spot on. One more comment for 3 spot ons. A home run
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What do you figure CBCS would grade the book the way it is with the missing page? A .3?


It would be a 0.5 incomplete book with CBCS.


Spot on


This where CGC really wins out with their qualified label system in my opinion.


Again spot on. One more comment for 3 spot ons. A home run


Matt, now you got me blushing.
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Collector matterus023 private msg quote post Address this user
@Kinzebac or maybe you are wrong and with my limited knowledge I am supporting your false statements bahaha

Qualified is such a mess at times though. Seen so many variations and wording on comics with the exact same things going on
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Actually I am not sure what CBCS does with say single pages just placed in. Does anyone know. I know CGC used to just downgrade say 1.0 point and give blue at times or green depending on the day or customer.

But what does CBCS do if a single placed in?????
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COLLECTOR DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user
@matterus023 you're are correct, CBCS will put "Married" on the label rather than "Restored." Sorry for any confusion, what I should have said is they will note the resto by putting married on the label.
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@matterus023 you're are correct, CBCS will put "Married" on the label rather than "Restored." Sorry for any confusion, what I should have said is they will note the resto by putting married on the label.


But it isn't resto. According to some
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Actually I am not sure what CBCS does with say single pages just placed in. Does anyone know. I know CGC used to just downgrade say 1.0 point and give blue at times or green depending on the day or customer.

But what does CBCS do if a single placed in?????

You placed in, but still detached? That's a good question.
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COLLECTOR DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user
@matterus023 well I guess that's why CBCS just puts "married" on the label.
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Collector Swampy private msg quote post Address this user
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Hey Everyone!

I recently found myself in a situation where I purchased a copy of Superman #12 from 1941. The book ended up missing the last page which I somehow overlooked before I purchased the book and sent it to CGC. (I know I should have counted the pages ) Anyway the book came back from CGC as a 4.0 Qualified Grade with a note that the last page is missing and that it does not effect the story. Well now I am trying to weigh my options. If I am able to find myself a coverless or incomplete copy of Superman #12 with the last page/wrap intact should I marry this page/wrap to my graded copy? This would then make the book restored I would assume? Should I just tape the page into the book because tape is not considered restoration? Should I just put the page in the book and leave it not attached? I'm not sure how this would effect the grade if I had the book regraded. Anyways it would be great to get some advice!

Thanks!

Aaron


This is as far as I know it

1. If you marry professionally a page from somewhere else it isn't resto no. Well as the comic doesn't have anything else going on with it


I'm with Mr Sigs, I can't understand why married pages aren't restoration. You're taking a page from one book and putting in into another book that was incomplete. That's restored to me.

The only other thing I can think of is that it's just semantics. IIRC, CBCS doesn't label trimming as restoration because it's actually the opposite, it's destruction.
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