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Collector CaptainCanuck private msg quote post Address this user
Hey Folks,

Looking for opinions on late 80’s Newsstand issues commanding a premium over their Direct counterparts.

I have an ASM #300 CGC 9.4 Newsstand edition that I may be selling. As far as pricing goes, would it be reasonable to expect a slight premium over other graded sales of this book that are Direct editions?
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COLLECTOR shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user
Yep.
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Collector Homer private msg quote post Address this user
Yes it seems key books like an ASM 300 can get a premium, while commons not so much and its often the same.
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Collector _satan private msg quote post Address this user
yes, from my research newsstand books are more sought after. especially when they are in good condition
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Collector GAC private msg quote post Address this user
mile high comics used to (maybe still do) charge more for every newsstand vs direct book, common books or otherwise.
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COLLECTOR shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user
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mile high comics used to (maybe still do) charge more for every newsstand vs direct book, common books or otherwise.


They charge outrageous premiums on them. Except some of the unknowns are so hard to find that sometimes I find myself paying it
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mile high comics used to (maybe still do) charge more for every newsstand vs direct book, common books or otherwise.


They charge outrageous premiums on them. Except some of the unknowns are so hard to find that sometimes I find myself paying it


Agreed...huge price differences between them.
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COLLECTOR Studley_Dudley private msg quote post Address this user
Mile High also charges an outstanding premium on Alpha Flight newsstands that have no direct market counterpart. Seriously, those books are maybe worth the paper they're printed on.
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Mile High also charges an outstanding premium on Alpha Flight newsstands that have no direct market counterpart. Seriously, those books are maybe worth the paper they're printed on.


Mile High has charged an outstanding premium on everything I've ever bought from them.
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Collector CaptainCanuck private msg quote post Address this user
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Nice copy. No cb spine ticks that I can see, just some tiny top and bottom spine wear.

Edit: Maybe a few cb ticks.
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Collector CaptainCanuck private msg quote post Address this user
I also have a CBCS 9.4 with these grader’s notes...

“small bend top right corner front cover & top left corner back cover
tiny spine wear & stress some breaks color”.

Anyone else think pressing out the small bend would get this into a 9.6?
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Collector KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user
I'll go ya one further....I like to get Canadian price variants when I can..will even pay a little more as long as it is reasonable
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COLLECTOR kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user
it's not bad but there's some fingerprints on the back cover. i give it a 9.2
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Collector CopperAgeKids private msg quote post Address this user
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Yes it seems key books like an ASM 300 can get a premium, while commons not so much and its often the same.


Newsstands like ASM 300 should get a bit of a premium in 9.8, down to 2.2/9.4...lower the grade, lower the premium percentage.

What really matters on newsstand premiums is the year of the book.

Back in 1988, nearly half of the copies printed, went to newsstands.....so there should not be much of a premium, at all.

Newsstands from the early 2000's OTOH, were printed in much lower numbers than they were in 1988, or 1992-94, for that matter.

Some late 80-90 books should/do command a 200% or more premium...mostly books with black cover backgrounds.

In simpler terms, only a chump pays a premium for newsstands, as a rule of thumb, from 1988.
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Collector Themaxx35 private msg quote post Address this user
Didn't there used to be a thread about showing off newsstands? If not, there should be.
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Collector IronMan private msg quote post Address this user
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I also have a CBCS 9.6 with these grader’s notes...

“small bend top right corner front cover & top left corner back cover
tiny spine wear & stress some breaks color”.

Anyone else think pressing out the small bend would get this into a 9.6?


I assume you meant "get this to 9.8"

I'd give it a 50/50 or 60/40 chance. It sounds like the bend goes through the book. So depends on how those spine stress/wear that break color looks. 9.8 isn't perfect - but it's close.
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Collector CaptainCanuck private msg quote post Address this user
@IronMan

My apologies, it’s a CBCS 9.4. Looking to achieve a 9.6 on it.
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Back in 1988, nearly half of the copies printed, went to newsstands.....so there should not be much of a premium, at all..

I’ve heard that the ratio was more like 80:20 (Direct:Newsstand) in 1988. Also, the premium seems to reflect the fact that unsold newsstands issues were returned to the distributor making them even more scarce. Additionally, it’s postulated that direct edition issues from that era are more likely to kept in high grade condition.
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Back in 1988, nearly half of the copies printed, went to newsstands.....so there should not be much of a premium, at all..

I’ve heard that the ratio was more like 80:20 (Direct:Newsstand) in 1988. Also, the premium seems to reflect the fact that unsold newsstands issues were returned to the distributor making them even more scarce. Additionally, it’s postulated that direct edition issues from that era are more likely to kept in high grade condition.


Wanna buy a bridge in Brooklyn?😉
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COLLECTOR shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user
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Didn't there used to be a thread about showing off newsstands? If not, there should be.


Yeah it archived out :/
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COLLECTOR shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user
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Back in 1988, nearly half of the copies printed, went to newsstands.....so there should not be much of a premium, at all..

I’ve heard that the ratio was more like 80:20 (Direct:Newsstand) in 1988. Also, the premium seems to reflect the fact that unsold newsstands issues were returned to the distributor making them even more scarce. Additionally, it’s postulated that direct edition issues from that era are more likely to kept in high grade condition.


Wanna buy a bridge in Brooklyn?😉


The numbers dont add up, so I understand your position, CAK.

However, there just is no data to mine in consideration of how these books were treated. Directs were hoarded, newsstands were mostly read. Until you actually start hunting high grade newsies it’s tough to understand how frustrating it can be to find certain ones in high grade.

That said, ASM300 is one of the LESS rare of the newsstand keys. People knew it was a key back then, even those pulling from the ns racks. Many more of 300 in 9.8 exist than you will find a 299 or 301
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Wanna buy a bridge in Brooklyn?😉

Read KaptainMyke’s blog if you don’t believe me 😉

Collecting High Grade Newsstand Editions for Investing in Comics
http://blog.kaptainmyke.com/?p=1168



@shrewbeer
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The numbers dont add up, so I understand your position, CAK.

They add up to 100, is that not what you were expecting?
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Collector BrianGreensnips private msg quote post Address this user
I am starting to love me some Newstand copies.
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COLLECTOR conditionfreak private msg quote post Address this user
I am not the only one to mention this. Barcodes are oogly. A Spidey head is a little better. But I much prefer just a price on the top left, like silver age books.

But alas. We are where we are.
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COLLECTOR Studley_Dudley private msg quote post Address this user
The barcodes are fugly.
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Collector Lonestar private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by CaptainCanuck
Hey Folks,

Looking for opinions on late 80’s Newsstand issues commanding a premium over their Direct counterparts.

I have an ASM #300 CGC 9.4 Newsstand edition that I may be selling. As far as pricing goes, would it be reasonable to expect a slight premium over other graded sales of this book that are Direct editions?

I think that collecting Newsstand editions is still a niche market. But it is growing and gaining more publicity and popularity. However, I believe that the "average" collector still doesn't understand the difference. While they might conceptually understand the difference between the direct market and the newsstand, they probably don't know how it changed over the years, what year it shifted more to direct market or how drastic a disparity there was in later years. (I would not consider anyone or most everyone on these forums as an average collector. You are all above average!)

So, yes, you can expect a premium for a newsstand over a direct market comic, but only to certain buyers. Many collectors will see the same comic (one newsstand and one direct), at the same grade, listed for two different prices. If it a book they want, but don't understand all the nuances of the difference, they will just buy the cheaper book, and be happy with it. You also have others that will do the same because they simply don't like the barcode. Or other collectors who understand the difference, but aren't focused on being a newsstand collector.

Thus, you can expect a premium and may get one, it might take longer to sell as you are probably targeting a smaller segment of the collecting community.
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Back in 1988, nearly half of the copies printed, went to newsstands.....so there should not be much of a premium, at all..

I’ve heard that the ratio was more like 80:20 (Direct:Newsstand) in 1988. Also, the premium seems to reflect the fact that unsold newsstands issues were returned to the distributor making them even more scarce. Additionally, it’s postulated that direct edition issues from that era are more likely to kept in high grade condition.


Wanna buy a bridge in Brooklyn?😉


The numbers dont add up, so I understand your position, CAK.

However, there just is no data to mine in consideration of how these books were treated. Directs were hoarded, newsstands were mostly read. Until you actually start hunting high grade newsies it’s tough to understand how frustrating it can be to find certain ones in high grade.

That said, ASM300 is one of the LESS rare of the newsstand keys. People knew it was a key back then, even those pulling from the ns racks. Many more of 300 in 9.8 exist than you will find a 299 or 301



I know how tough some newsstands are, in the upper echelon of grades.I've been hunting newssies for the better part of 5 years.

We're in agreement with all of this, with one caveat.

That being, the lack of data you referred to, is a two way street.

Sure, directs were generally better preserved/less prone to getting jacked up in a comic store rack over a 7-11 spinner rack.

To really understand that two way street, you have to look at books on a case by case basis.

Ghost Rider 1 (1990's run) is a brute in 9.8....OTOH, there are plenty of other Marvel and DC titles from that same month, that are hardly any tougher to find in 9.8 news, than direct 9.8. I'm sure that you know this.

As far as general scarcity numbers of newsstands are concerned, Mike's graph is just that.

A graph.

Without providing any citations to news vs direct distribution by year, as his chart stands, it makes no sense to infer scarcity from such a graph.

Furthermore when you factor in that some companies produced more books for the direct market than newsstands to begin with, that is another variable that throws "educated ball parks" out of the window.

I know that is Mike's graph, those are not your numbers,just saying.
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Collector CopperAgeKids private msg quote post Address this user
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Wanna buy a bridge in Brooklyn?😉

Read KaptainMyke’s blog if you don’t believe me 😉

Collecting High Grade Newsstand Editions for Investing in Comics
http://blog.kaptainmyke.com/?p=1168



@shrewbeer
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The numbers dont add up, so I understand your position, CAK.

They add up to 100, is that not what you were expecting?


@CaptainCanuck

Sure, 80 = 20 equals 100.

But without citations, those numbers don't add up.
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