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But...tell me how this gets a 9.2 and my Suspira gets a 9.2 Who do ya gots to know!!?


I recognize companies do not like what I'm about to say, but I maintain that new books are graded more sternly than books from the 60's, 70's and 80's. I'm sure there will be anger and dismissive replies but that is my opinion based on my observations.


As one who submits a lot of modern books as well as silver and bronze, I believe you are correct. I also believe they are right to do so; I think a (paper) book with 40 or 50 years of age should be graded differently than a book hot off the press.

Just my 2 cents of an opinion.


Yep... agreed. They just will not admit it and is the elephant in the room


What's to admit? Grading companies take into account the quality of production, which varies from decade to decade, and even sometimes comic to comic. That does contribute greatly to the grade assigned. Golden age books were often produced with trapezoid cuts and huge bindery tears, which don't count as much against the grade, but if a glossy stock DC comic that came out last week had huge bindery tears and a crooked cut, it's not going to get a high grade.

That said, a 1" color breaking corner crease on a comic from this week's pull list is going to get the same grade as the same crease on a New Mutants 98 or a Hulk 181. It may get a little different grade on a large Golden Age, a magazine, or some other larger format comic, just because the crease would be smaller in relation to the surface area of the book.
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@stevericketts....I know and I understand , but that 181 is one ugly 9.2 The other 2 graders must have been out sick on this guys first day .
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The old style CGC blue labels, IMO, were supposed to be more stringent in the grading scale.

But...I also agree on a color breaking crease, let alone two, should not make the grade "NM".

Clearly, the grade was assigned by subtracting defects by ".2" for each defect.

....OR....and I know people don't like hearing this.....

Could the book that is in the case, not be the actual/original graded book that would have rcvd an actual 9.2 grade?

Wth the recent proof that older cases can be opened and items removed and swapped - this avenue cannot be so quickly dismissed nowadays.

Just thinking out loud with another opinion.

I only have added my two cents - not to disrespect or demean the hobby - it is just a change that I see that has occurred, and it doesn't seem like it is going away anytime soon.

Shoot - I've had books graded - for investment.....but I in the least have read the story. I have not graded any book that I bought just to be graded - although I have many that I will when I can afford it. I'll read them or buy a 2nd copy for reading, if I decide to slab them.

But I still read what I own before archiving.

Cheers to all - enjoy, be happy, and become a super hero for a few hours. It is well worth it.
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I think at CGC, they have an actual dart board,(when they get bored).
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One in five comics that is next in line for a grade, the CGC employee randomly toss three darts and the best average out of those three darts goes to the comic.
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I think at CGC, they have an actual dart board,(when they get bored).
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One in five comics that is next in line for a grade, the CGC employee randomly toss three darts and the best average out of those three darts goes to the comic.



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I understand the quality of production by decades. My only point is that 4 color break spine tics plus a top right corner crease should probably be a 9.2 for both comics (1975 or 2000's). And I do not believe that is the case. Perhaps I'm incorrect on that though.
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@zosoRocks...forgot about the old switch and bait. Could very well be the case. I've popped 1st gen cases off easily and popped them right back on .
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@stevericketts....I know and I understand , but that 181 is one ugly 9.2 The other 2 graders must have been out sick on this guys first day .


I'm not seeing it. That comic looks like a 9.2 to me. A couple c.b. spine ticks, a little something (or is that just the light on a bend?) in the top right corner ... it's a nice book. I could see an argument for a 9.0, but also (depending on that corner) for a 9.4.

Give it a 9.6 or 9.8 and I'll kick, but this grade? Nah, it's fine.
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@stevericketts....I know and I understand , but that 181 is one ugly 9.2 The other 2 graders must have been out sick on this guys first day .


I'm not seeing it. That comic looks like a 9.2 to me. A couple c.b. spine ticks, a little something (or is that just the light on a bend?) in the top right corner ... it's a nice book. I could see an argument for a 9.0, but also (depending on that corner) for a 9.4.

Give it a 9.6 or 9.8 and I'll kick, but this grade? Nah, it's fine.


lol...well...nothing wrong with opinion..that's why we pay to get books graded; but with this logic, why is the same company giving my book a 9.2 with no visible flaws aside from a light scrape at the bottom staple..notes say spine ticks and multiple scrapes
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with this logic, why is the same company giving my book a 9.2 with no visible flaws aside from a light scrape at the bottom staple..notes say spine ticks and multiple scrapes


Because its CGC... They suck... That or they got your comics'grading notes swapped with another comic?BUT on the bright side, we live and learn from our mistakes!
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lol...well...nothing wrong with opinion..that's why we pay to get books graded; but with this logic, why is the same company giving my book a 9.2 with no visible flaws aside from a light scrape at the bottom staple..notes say spine ticks and multiple scrapes

It probably shouldn't be a 9.2. I've also noticed CGC has gotten tighter the last six months or so on some absurdly tiny details. But that happens, at both companies: these things wax and wane, as new people are brought on board and trained, and the companies try to respond to criticisms and make adjustments. CBCS minimizes that by having one head grader to validate every single comic. (At least, I assume they still do that.) But CGC is probably an order of magnitude more busy, and couldn't possibly implement such a system.

FWIW, I think the fluctuations are slightly more at CGC; the waxing and waning of standards, and the outliers. But both companies (inevitably) do it. Grading is not a perfect science.

Hell, the industry as a whole will inevitably change opinion also. Does anyone really care about a tiny water-spot that is visible only under a black light? Yet this flaw could bring a comic down multiple points. Which is very silly, of course. And the market will reflect that, once the over-correction is noted and the general opinion swings back to a more realistic place.
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In the last two days, my opinion on the bombing of Syria has changed three times.

I say that because we pay these grading companies for their opinions. Not for their scientific analysis or findings.

Opinions can change from day to day, and sometimes twice a day.

To be honest. I could not tell you what constitutes a 9.2 verbally. But like porn, I know it when I see it. This Hulk 181 is a 9.2

But tomorrow I may see it as a 9.0
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In the last two days, my opinion on the bombing of Syria has changed three times.

I say that because we pay these grading companies for their opinions. Not for their scientific analysis or findings.

Opinions can change from day to day, and sometimes twice a day.

To be honest. I could not tell you what constitutes a 9.2 verbally. But like porn, I know it when I see it. This Hulk 181 is a 9.2

But tomorrow I may see it as a 9.0

Since comics inevitably degrade, it may very well be a 9.0 one day.
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In the last two days, my opinion on the bombing of Syria has changed three times.

I say that because we pay these grading companies for their opinions. Not for their scientific analysis or findings.

Opinions can change from day to day, and sometimes twice a day.

To be honest. I could not tell you what constitutes a 9.2 verbally. But like porn, I know it when I see it. This Hulk 181 is a 9.2

But tomorrow I may see it as a 9.0

Since comics inevitably degrade, it may very well be a 9.0 one day.


My slabbed comics will last forever. Just sayin.
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