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| I had a buddy that was at the Lexington Comicon last weekend and he asked a CBCS guy to witness a couple signatures for him, and the CBCS sent a beckett guy over with him to do it, and instead of the $5 the pricing says, the guy said it was $20. He was trying to get his Avengers Annual #10 get signed by Golden. Can someone tell me why they were trying to charge $20 when the pricing here is $5? | ||
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| Hmm. | ||
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anthonybischoff private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Well it might be that he was charging $15 as a witness and $5 for cbcs. So he makes some money on being a witness. | ||
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| Are Beckett employees AW's? | ||
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anthonybischoff private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I missed that part but he might have just been working the event for the con. But if he was working the event and not a facilitator then it’s pretty odd and weird. | ||
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| 20 for just the authenticated signature or 20 for the grading with signature? I dont know what CBCS charges at a show but the normal price is 18 for grading and 5 for signature. | ||
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Lewdog private msg quote post Address this user | |
| The CBCS guy sent the Beckett guy over and they wanted $20 just to witness and told him to get it slabbed too was going to be around $70. So I'm confused. Does CBCS charge $5 but the employees can charge extra to make money? That's pretty cheezy... | ||
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| It definitely sounds strange. Witnesses from the CBCS booth have always been free. The $5 fee listed on the pricing is not assessed until you send in the book for grading, so you shouldn’t be paying the witnesses anything. I haven’t seen CBCS at a show since their acquisition by Beckett so I don’t know if things have changed since then. Regardless, a single book, with the ASP fee and shipping costs comes to about $40. Could it be possible that the witness was speaking about a signing fee that Golden was charging for graded books? |
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Lewdog private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by dielinfinite Nope, Golden's price was something else. It really sounds like it was shady to me. |
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Lewdog private msg quote post Address this user | |
| My buddy used to own a comic store so I trust him. It's pretty sad this happened because he got some nice stuff like the Golden book and then Kyle Sparks did a huge drawing on a Rick and Morty #1. | ||
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JustThatGuy private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Weird. FYI, if anyone catches me at an event, then I can witness it for """FREE"". I am in this for the love of it and not for money. Just gotta pay all the shipping and materials, though. And if you got proof that the guy charged you the money unjustly, then I'd make a case against him for unfair practice. | ||
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Darryl_H private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I was the CBCS guy at Lexington, and this charging to witness is news to me. Would love more info! | ||
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dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @Lewdog Definitely strange. I contacted an AW I know that worked CBCS’ booth at Lexington and even he says that a witness you get from the CBCS booth should be free. I would suggest your friend mention the incident with Mark Roman (mroman@cbcscomics.com) and Steve Palus (spaulus@cbcscomics.com) with as much detail as he can remember. It may have been an innocent misunderstanding or if it is indeed something dishonest, they’d be the ones to take action. Again, the $5 fee is paid once per book when you submit, not per witnessed signature at the show. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Catalyst_Comics I'm sure you spoke with a lot of people at the show, but my friend said he spoke with the person at the CBCS booth, which you said was you, and that a guy from the Beckett booth to go with him, and he also went to the Stranko booth, and the Beckett guy told him how getting Steranko was well worth it because he loves to talk to people, and then the guy told him it was $20 to get the signature witnessed. I'll get more info tomorrow, but I believe him. Like I said, the guy also told him it would be around $70 to get it graded and slabbed too, which is a lot more than the pricing says. So how does this work? I was told by CBCS on the phone one day it is $5 for the first 5 signatures on a book, and then it goes up after the 6-10, and then more for 11-15 and so forth. I'd like to get this straitened out, so that when the Louisville show happens later this year I know what it is going to cost me. |
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Darryl_H private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by JustThatGuy Working a booth, we never charge!! Its part of our job. Always report this please guys! |
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Lewdog private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by dielinfinite I'll see if he can remember the guy's name, but it just seems pretty odd. |
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Darryl_H private msg quote post Address this user | |
| For the record, you should NEVER be charged a witnessing fee if you get a witness from the booth. The $5 fee is a signature upgrade charge, and not a witnessing fee. You pay this even if you are your own witness. Did your friend end up not submitting due to this? |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Catalyst_Comics Nope, he didn't get ANY books done because of this. He was going to get quite a few nice ones, now if he wants to get them done, he'd have to pay $25 for the signature instead of the $5 and it would be a red label instead of a yellow. |
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Darryl_H private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @Lewdog Pricing is listed on the website here: https://cbcscomics.com/pricing I have included a pic of the CBCS shipping fees as well. Unless CBCS does a pricing change, these are the prices you can go with. Now Facilitators can charge a fee for witnessing, but in this case no fee should have been asked for or given. If you have any questions please let me know.  |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Catalyst_Comics Ok he said he will post here tomorrow when he gets to his computer. He said he had 8 books he was going to get witnessed and graded... so the guy cost CBCS money. |
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Lewdog private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Catalyst_Comics He did say that you were busy writing someone else up for submissions when he talked to you, and that might have been why you sent the Beckett guy with him? |
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Darryl_H private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Yes that would have been why, Lexington was a busy show, and Beckett helped us when needed. But the same rules apply. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Catalyst_Comics So the Beckett guy is able to ask to be paid to witness since you were busy? Or he shouldn't have asked for money, and just told you he saw the comics gets signed? Are you going to be at the Derby Comicon in Louisville later this year? I ask because I want to make sure I can get some books witnessed. If some of the same guys from this show will be there, I plan on getting about 20 books signed so I definitely want to get things straight before then. I just feel really bad for my buddy because he had some nice books and now because they aren't yellow label it really affects the value, and what it will cost him to get them authenticated now. |
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Darryl_H private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Lewdog shouldn't have asked for money. |
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Lewdog private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by Catalyst_Comics Thanks. I answered your PM BTW. |
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| Looks like I'm late to the party on this one but I got a witness at RICC and wasn't charged outside of the $5 when we wrote the order up. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by JustABitEvil So you pay the $5 there, or do they just add it to your order and charge your card on file when they get it and process them? |
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| Always zero dollars for a witness, the slab and grading fees are as normal paid either at submission or by a credit card on file. The ONLY time I have ever paid “witnessing fees” was when I had to leave the con without getting the sigs I wanted on two books, a witness offered to do them for me the next day and add them to my invoice. He asked for $5 for his troubles, I threw him a $20 instead. |
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Quote:Originally Posted by Lewdog The $5 fee is added to your invoice. You pay nothing at the convention, unless the artist, writer, or editor that is signing your book has a signing fee, then you pay him or her for their signature. Some will charge more for witnessed signatures, and some are still free. I always create my invoice for CBCS online and include the signatures I plan on getting. I bring two copies of the invoice with me (CBCS keeps one) so if something changes at the show, you can indicate it in writing on both copies. |
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| Call me the resident skeptic or cynic. Whatever. And I will say up front I have never used an AW in person at a con. But I am having a hard time understanding several aspects of this situation. #1. It is second hand, and things often get lost in relating events in a story. #2. What is Beckett doing at a comic convention? Yes, I know they now own or control CBCS. But CBCS is a separate entity, is it not? That is pretty hands on for a corporate ownership. #3. How is it that names are not exchanged between those seeking witnesses and those who are witnesses? Or, maybe they were but it was left out of the passed on story. #4. What is/was the standard procedure, before Beckett entered the picture, for CBCS when the employee working the booth is busy writing up orders? You wait? You just come back later? You are just chit out of luck? When I attended the Cincy Con a couple of years ago, there were two employees in the CBCS booth. One male and one female. One doing orders and the other doing the running around stuff. And there was possibly a third employee doing stuff in the background, but I can not swear to that as I never conversed with that person. #5. Is there a receipt when dealing with obtaining a witnessed signature? Do AW's have business cards routinely? I am not casting aspersions. I am just trying to understand in preparing for my next con visit. |
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