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conditionfreak private msg quote post Address this user | |
| But what the heck is going on? I mean, with the slab security situation. The "anybody can witness signatures, even you" situation. And the "check facebook if you want to know anything about these CBCS situations" situation. Am I wrong in thinking these things are NOT good for business, and thus NOT good for our own CBCS graded books. I would be very pleased if CBCS became the premiere professional grading company, but I want CGC to stay around too. Just to keep CBCS sharp and on their toes. Competition makes everyone try harder and more innovative. This is me begging for a response on the CBCS web site. I realize that a storm is brewing and will probably hit Florida this weekend. But you might want to mention something here about this and that. Just sayin'. |
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 Suck it up, buttercup!!
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
| I'll give a pass to you can witness your own books...maybe with a caveat? Maybe can't witness own books if CBCS/CGC are at the con? Smaller conventions still get good writers/artists that one would like witnessed but for whatever reason neither CBCS nor CGC are there - what are you to do?? A few years back Neil Adams was brought in by my LCS before a convention - no witnessing/grading company at either but ample proof the signatures are real |
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robertofredrico private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by conditionfreak And not just that, but you can witness your own books, as well. |
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jrs private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by robertofredrico Did I miss something? Is this new? |
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| Witnessing own books is an extremely dangerous dragon. All it takes is one guy to forge 500 signatures (worth $80 each at a value of $40k??) get caught and the entire CBCS yellow label value goes in the shitter. Its not that difficult to meet up with a fellow AW to witness your books. You dont need CBCS to be there, just another witness. @conditionfreak I said basically the same thing to the powers that be. They thanked me for my input, said they are actively working on some changes, and would be making announcements at some point as to what those changes are. |
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| @conditionfreak pls refer to this announcement https://forum.cbcscomics.com/topic/4253/page/1/important-hurricane-announcement/#14 | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer Indeed. I saw a documentary a few years ago about autograph hunting in general but specifically in the pop industry and the conclusion that over 80% of autographs were fakes didn't seem to faze the collectors interviewed at all. They were all insistent that theirs were genuine. |
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| It reminds me of the old saying "it's not the crime, it's the cover up." I haven't seen anything yet that makes me think CBCS is doomed to fail. The slab security issue can be addressed in, I'm sure, a number of ways and we can just move past it. The AW program can be tightened up. But it's the failure to address the issues at all that is destroying credibility. My reason for using CBCS was always primarily that I like the up and comer, and I found CGC to be a little arrogant, largely because they wouldn't acknowledge their slab issues when it was obvious to everyone. Learn from their mistakes. Get out in front of this. |
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KatKomics private msg quote post Address this user | |
| The only ones I know for sure are real are the ones I waited in line for/witnessed myself - everything else is just to reduce the probability they are fake. CGC/CBCS witnessed - reduces a lot CBCS verified - pretty good chance is real Dynamic Forces COA as ordered though monthly Diamond book - pretty good chance is real. Dynamic Forces COA (or any other) - from ebay - could easily be fake I primarily like CBCS for the verification - I have many books signed that pre-date CGC or are from when they just started and were not at all cons (either themselves or authorized witnesses) |
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Quote:Originally Posted by KatKomics "Maybe with a caveat...?" A photo of you and the artist with the signed book, including a members pass showing you attended the convention or signing? But even then, "Photoshoppers" would get involved to ruin that method. |
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shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user | |
@ZosoRocks good in theory, until someone uses the same photograph 100 times for 99 fake sigs  |
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KingNampa private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @conditionfreak Could you please elaborate on witnessing your own signatures? Does that mean the VSP program is gone and everything will be yellow labels now? Where do you get this form to fill out to witness for yourself? | ||
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shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @KingNampa heres some light reading, you may have missed this thread. VSP is not gone https://forum.cbcscomics.com/topic/4168/page/4/artist-signature-exceptions/#95 |
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 I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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| Photo idea doesn't work for celebrities who refuse or charge extra for photos. For those critical of people witnessing their own books I would argue that it makes little sense to risk forging the signature of an artist at a venue where you are an authorized witness and capable of lining up to get the actual signature. I would hope anyone that lazy wouldn't get authorized to begin with. |
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KingNampa private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @shrewbeer Holy Sh*t. Wow I missed that. I'm taking a break from Submitting to CBCS until they seriously resolve their issues and address them Publicly. At this point I trust CGC and even PGX more with my books. Strike 1: Current Version of Case isn't tamper evident Strike 2: Sketchy Self-Witnessing Program no matter how they want to spin it. Strike 3: Sub-Par Turn around times on pressing and grading Peace out!  |
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Themaxx35 private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by KingNampa  I am beginning to agree with this approach. |
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| I have to admit. It is frustrating that they won't address any of these issues outright. Getting ahead of the situation allows them room to move. Waiting this long no matter what they say it just feels like exscuses. | ||
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Quote:Originally Posted by Wolverine It also just seems so out of character for this company, which has always seemed to put the hobby first. It makes me wonder who is calling the shots on this issue. This company has built up a lot of goodwill and it seems crazy that they would burn that hard earned political capital like this. |
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KingNampa private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @Themaxx35 @Wolverine Let's stop the notion that CBCS cares more about the hobby than making money, etc. Actions speak louder than words. I called today to ask about why my books haven't been marked as received. Tracking showed they arrived more than a week ago. The response from Jake was, "oh we've been short staffed last 2 weeks because we were all away at Cons." Basically that corresponds with the fact they haven't updated their TAT in 2 weeks. So I take that as basically they haven't been doing any work towards receiving/grading/shipping for 2 weeks! Their actions show they would rather go out and collect more orders $$$ than take care of their existing Customers. What do you guys think? |
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shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Very aggressive marketing strategy, creating fast growth at the expense of service. Could be just piling up acorns for the winter though; I've run a summer strategy like that in the construction market. Idk if it compares (if they are actually slow in winter and thus need it) |
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Themaxx35 private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @KingNampa I can understand being short staffed to some degree, but again it comes down to communicating. Post something that says hey everyone just to let you know running a little behind but here's what we're doing to work through it (admittedly Steve did something like this in his hurricane post), but they don't seem to do this. They wait until critical mass. First time I noticed this was the huge backlog in May or so. The TATs weren't updated for a long time. Steve had to start batting down complaints in the TAT thread, but just get out in front and defuse the situation before you get the complaints. | ||
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| First of all, thank you @conditionfreak for starting this thread. Second: Quote: Originally Posted by KingNampa |
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00slim private msg quote post Address this user | |
| Hmmm, that's a weird glitch. I didn't add my input to the quote. | ||
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jrs private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer Just read that other thread. Wow. |
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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| @KingNampa I think that during the height of convention season turn around times will be slower than normal at both grading companies. Boston and Terrificon we're back to back weekends. While I had a week off before Toronto I am pretty sure Marc has been on the road for at least 5 or 6 consecutive weekends. Keep in mind that we are talking about 3 day shows with 4 days in Toronto. |
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KingNampa private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by jrs Yes that is scary. I'm selling off all my witnessed and VSP CBCS books ASAP. I fear news of this might affect resell value. Not too worried about unsigned as I can resubmit them to other companies at a later time. |
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KingNampa private msg quote post Address this user | |
| @drchaos I get it. But referring back to what TheMaxx said.... Quote: Originally Posted by Themaxx35 |
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Redshade private msg quote post Address this user | |
Quote:Originally Posted by shrewbeer Perhaps they should just stick to grading for the near future. Perhaps the diversification into attending cons and signature verification and indeed pressing has stretched them too far so that a weather bomb such as this has exposed just how stretched they are? |
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moodswing private msg quote post Address this user | |
| How about hiring more people? If it takes 6 months to perform a paid service, the company must be understaffed. | ||
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I had no way of knowing that 9.8 graded copies signed by Adam Hughes weren't what you were looking for.
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drchaos private msg quote post Address this user | |
| It is easy for those of us who are regulars here to forget that this forum is relatively new while CBCS has been on Facebook for years. Instead of waiting for a response here it is easy enough to call or e-mail CBCS if you really want answers sooner than later. I have submitted over 1,000 books to the other guys and have nothing but good things to say about customer service at CBCS. |
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