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COLLECTOR 20.52K	20.52K DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by keefriffhards I can't find the video on youtube.... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=08L5wbwqqSI
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I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life. 27.08K	27.08K kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	when did CGC state they were not going to honor CBCS yellow labels?
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COLLECTOR 20.52K	20.52K DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Idk, that has been the universal grapevine
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Collector 23.66K	23.66K poka private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by kaptainmyke when did CGC state they were not going to honor CBCS yellow labels? I have seen it in forums and it is not really surprising. Try to write anything in the cgc chatforum which contains cbcs and it will be deleted by moderators within 24 hours. There is a reason they use voldemort.
	7 years ago	Post 379 • IP flag post

I'm a #2. 11.44K	11.44K BigRedOne1944 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 7
	I am in agreement with DarthLego This is purely a security flaw with CBCS, nothing ELSE matters. I don't believe the "heat sealed Labels" were ever intended to be a security measure as much as they were a flaw in the QC department. The whole point of authenticating and slabbing a book in the first place is SECURITY. without that you might as well just keep it raw. Until CBCS implements a "REAL" security feature into their slabs I would not be inclined to use their services. I would also be hesitant in purchasing CBCS books online for the same reason. Implementing a legit security measure will surely go a long way in securing my future business. Healthy competition is absolutely needed, so I wish nothing but the best for CBCS and their continued success. Its a tough road to haul for a start up company going up against the established Goliath. Hopefully CBCS can stay the coarse and do the right thing here, to again buck the system and set themselves apart from the crowd. I believe they can do it.
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Collector 23.66K	23.66K poka private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Honestly - the video doesn't contain any new information. Can the cbcs slab be better and more secure - yes - like most cgc slabs on the market. The video will not stop me from buying cgc nor cbcs slabs - as with everything else - just need to use a common sense of sceptism.
	7 years ago	Post 381 • IP flag post

COLLECTOR 20.52K	20.52K DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	@poka Maybe for you. Myself and others learned quite a bit of new information about the CBCS from the video. We also learned new information about the slab from the CBCS response to the video. And by studying our own slabs based on what CBCS said, we discovered a serious QC issue. I'd say that a lot of new information has resulted from the video.
	7 years ago	Post 382 • IP flag post

Collector 23.66K	23.66K poka private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	There are three things which the video has achieved 1. Cause fear level to inc are whether my comic in my cbcs slab is the same as the one got graded. 2. Force CBCS to provide a response - which will be interesting 3. Provide knowledge to a wider audience including those with undesirable motives of how to open a cbcs slab.
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COLLECTOR 20.52K	20.52K DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	4. Exposed a very real vulnerability. 5. Revealed a serious QC problem. Fixed that for you.
	7 years ago	Post 384 • IP flag post

Collector 23.66K	23.66K poka private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	@DarthLego joe repeatedly has said that he can open a slab in 2 min with no evidence of tampering. did anyone ask any questions? no - no one . i guess you now believe him
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CBCS broke up with me over Facebook. 3.85K	3.85K CFP_Comics private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 7
	Quote: Originally Posted by poka @DarthLego joe repeatedly has said that he can open a slab in 2 min with no evidence of tampering. did anyone ask any questions? no - no one . i guess you now believe him I am going to demonstrate cracking out slabs at the Chicago dinner on Saturday.
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COLLECTOR 20.52K	20.52K DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	@poka I believe my own eyes. I also believe several other members of this forum who have repeatedly said they open cases on a regular basis without damaging the case. Do you honestly think every single one of these members is lying to you?
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COLLECTOR 20.52K	20.52K DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 4
	CBCS has not denied the ease of opening the outer shell, it is in fact the very reason they put out the statement about the heat seal preventing the label from being removed cleanly. And we now know that that feature is not consistently present on all the slabs, making those slabs vulnerable to unscrupulous activities.
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Collector 23.66K	23.66K poka private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	All I am saying is that the ease to open the outer shell really should not come as any surprise
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Collector 23.66K	23.66K poka private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by CFP_Comics Quote: Originally Posted by poka @DarthLego joe repeatedly has said that he can open a slab in 2 min with no evidence of tampering. did anyone ask any questions? no - no one . i guess you now believe him I am going to demonstrate cracking out slabs at the Chicago dinner on Saturday. Does that include the new cgc slab?
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If I could, I would. I swear. 48.68K	48.68K DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Quote: Originally Posted by poka All I am saying is that the ease to open the outer shell really should not come as any surprise The outer shell was never designed to be impenetrable. Some people do want to crack books out from time to time for various reasons. Just like the cgc Jason Ewert micro trimming scandal years ago, people aren't doing this with your IG-88 Star Wars Action Figure variant. If they are going to invest their time, it's going to be for a larger return.
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CBCS broke up with me over Facebook. 3.85K	3.85K CFP_Comics private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	Quote: Originally Posted by poka Quote: Originally Posted by CFP_Comics Quote: Originally Posted by poka @DarthLego joe repeatedly has said that he can open a slab in 2 min with no evidence of tampering. did anyone ask any questions? no - no one . i guess you now believe him I am going to demonstrate cracking out slabs at the Chicago dinner on Saturday. Does that include the new cgc slab? Actually, yes.
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If I could, I would. I swear. 48.68K	48.68K DrWatson private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Plus, I think CBCS should really take some time to discuss this internally. If I were them, I would postpone any comments until the end of the week.
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Collector 23.66K	23.66K poka private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	@CFP_Comics that one I am curious about, haven't been able to work it out yet
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COLLECTOR 5.46K	5.46K JLS_Comics private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 4
	This is still going? This thread is really just going in circles at this point
	7 years ago	Post 395 • IP flag post

COLLECTOR 3.77K	3.77K Foghorn_Sam private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 5
	The label should be heat sealed embossed to the inner well so it can't be removed without destroying it. I'm not talking about along the edges, but embossed with the CBCS logo, it could even be part of the CBCS logo to be less obtrusive. It would kind of give the logo a slight 3 dimensional look. If done right, it might look pretty cool and make the label darn near tamper proof.
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I bought a meat grinder on amazon for $60 and it's changed my life. 27.08K	27.08K kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 4
	I like comics. (bump)
	7 years ago	Post 397 • IP flag post

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	@DarthLego Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego @poka Maybe for you. Myself and others learned quite a bit of new information about the CBCS from the video. We also learned new information about the slab from the CBCS response to the video. And by studying our own slabs based on what CBCS said, we discovered a serious QC issue. I'd say that a lot of new information has resulted from the video. Darth, was the CBCS response in this thread? I must have missed it amongst the 397 replies.
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COLLECTOR 5.46K	5.46K JLS_Comics private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	@symbiote Here you go: Quote: Originally Posted by SteveRicketts Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego I was well aware of how easy the old CGC slab was, I thought that was common knowledge for anyone who cared. Which slab is best right now is kind of irrelevant imo. I think the real question should be this. If the serious concerns of people can be solved by four dabs of glue? Then why resist actually solving that concern? And if that isn't logistically feasible, let's hear a solution that is. I'm looking forward to the response from CBCS. This isn't something that would stop me from submitting books, but it dang sure is something that will effect how I purchase slabbed books from other people going forward. Four dabs of glue are not the answer. We tested this when we started up, and here were our observations... 1) We were concerned about the possible effects of the glue off-gassing. 2) We made samples of cases with the clips glued and showed them to test subjects, without their knowledge. The subjects commented that the spot where the glue was looked like a crack in the case. 3) We had concerns of putting a liquid, especially glue, anywhere near someone's comic book because that is an accident waiting to happen. We don't even let employees have drinks on surfaces near comics. We determined that just wasn't in the best interest of the company. We're always working to improve our product and procedures. As mentioned earlier in the thread, the labels are now sealed into the inner well with a small tab. This was by design in effort to make it harder for nefarious individuals to tamper with the holder.
	7 years ago	Post 399 • IP flag post

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Originally Posted by SteveRicketts
In case you guys didn't see this; Steve Paulus posted this on the Facebook thread...

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The YouTube video shows a person swapping labels between two CBCS graded books. What is not shown is the person creating the video cutting the inner wells in order to cleanly remove the labels. No design is foolproof and criminals always try and get around security measures, be it currency, software or comic book cases. We are always looking to improve our product and services and have changed procedures during encapsulation that make it even harder for someone to switch labels. One such improvement was the extension of the heat seal to include part of the label, which effectively secures the label to the inner well. What has not changed is the ability of CBCS customers to have instant and free access to grader notes. The grader notes provide valuable information on the condition of the book and can provide customers the reassurance that tampering has not occurred.

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One such improvement was the extension of the heat seal to include part of the label, which effectively secures the label to the inner well.

This is something I was not previously aware of. I had noticed it before, but I didn't realize it was an intentional security measure. This is reassuring information.

Yes, we did it so if someone pulls the label out, there will be a tear on it.

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Collector* 10.54K	10.54K Towmater private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Quote: Originally Posted by SteveRicketts I think this thread has run it’s course for now. It’s being derailed, and that is going to stop here. We really don’t want to lock this thread. CBCS will make an announcement when we have one to make. Today is Saturday. Everyone returns to the office on Monday, so please stop with the drama until we get back to you. I appreciate the passion, but really… As for the incessant trolling, it stops here. Consider this the only warning. Your fate lies in your own hands. Or, fingers, I suppose. I was gone and missed a bunch. Going back and reading all the back and forth, and he said she said trolling I have to For stepping in and posting the above. Steve,
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Collector 2.42K	2.42K Logan510 private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 2
	Well, that was an embarrassing display.
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Collector* 10.54K	10.54K Towmater private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 1
	Naw, it was honest. All the dishonesty in the thread was making it hard for me to...ya know. Glad Steve posted. It calmed it down instantaneously. People took him at his word.
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CBCS broke up with me over Facebook. 3.85K	3.85K CFP_Comics private msg quote post Address this user	plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 3
	Still embarrassing.
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