Wolverine #80 X-23 Debunked? | CBCS Comics

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Originally Posted by shrewbeer
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Originally Posted by Ambaryerno
It should never have been added in the first place. It's never been anything more than fanon, and I challenge anyone to find me a page from a published Marvel comic that explicitly confirms there's a connection between this issue and X-23.

I don't get what's so hard to understand about this.

Nobody is saying or has said that there is any documented confirmation whatsoever. The argument is so thin that it is reduced to speculation of INTENT/ORGIN of the creators in naming her, accidental/subconscious or not.

I don't get what's so hard to understand about that.

Hell, I'm with you that it is not true and that it is coincidence; but some of us think it is worth exploring rather than just talking in black and white.

In this case it's important because you're talking about something that people are using to inflate the value of what's otherwise a comic that has no real significance. It has...Cyber. And a few plot points that contribute nothing to the grand scheme of things. So Wolverine #80 isn't particularly iconic or meaningful. Tack on an, "Oh, but it's technically the first appearance of X-23" and it's going to add a few bucks on eBay.

And now, even if the "X-23 Appearance/Mention" IS removed from the CBCS grading, it's STILL going to get interest from collectors just from the controversy this has caused.

The latter I'm fine with, but advertising it as something it's NOT is a problem. Kyle himself openly discourages X-23 collectors from picking this issue up for that very reason.

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Originally Posted by DarthLego
She was the 23rd attempt at cloning Logan, her name has nothing to do with chromosomes. Hence bad Logan is X-24.

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Originally Posted by JLS_Comics
It's true on the 23rd attempt but it dealt with a duplicated x chromosome and made a female instead of a male. They "Y" chromosome kept disintegrating that's why Dr Kinney took an "X" chromosome on that last attempt

She's specifically the 23rd attempt at a FEMALE clone ("X" refers to "X chromosome," not "Weapon X"

. In Innocence Lost several male cloning attempts fail before Sarah Kinney proposes the female clone. When she defies her orders and begins the attempt to create the female we see her make an entry on her computer to the effect of "X Chromosome Trial 1. A second entry is shown later with X Chromosome Trial 17. Then finally we get Trial 23, which is successful. So there were 22 attempts at the female BEFORE Laura was successfully conceived.

This one is also confirmed by Kyle.

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	We're talking about 23 pairs of chromosomes and the "23" coming up on a vial in a genetics lab. It's not all the surprising that this number would come up more than once over a decade or so. Wolverine 80 came out in what? 1994? and then Innocence lost was like 10 years later (I say IL because not much was told about her in NYX). The number 23 makes sense for a character like this
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	She was the 23rd attempt at cloning Logan, her name has nothing to do with chromosomes. Hence bad Logan is X-24.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego She was the 23rd attempt at cloning Logan, her name has nothing to do with chromosomes. Hence bad Logan is X-24. It's true on the 23rd attempt but it dealt with a duplicated x chromosome and made a female instead of a male. They "Y" chromosome kept disintegrating that's why Dr Kinney took an "X" chromosome on that last attempt
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	Yup and as a punishment for defying Rice's orders she was forced to carry the baby to full term
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	And you believe they stopped on 23 being the success completely by coincidence?
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	Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego And you believe they stopped on 23 being the success completely by coincidence? Cheeky images don't change the fact that life is chock full of coincidences whatever your spiritual beliefs may say, because I sure as @#$% don't share them. If Kyle says it's a coincidence, it's a coincidence. I don't automatically assume someone is lying just to neatly force the world to fit my views.
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	Quote: Originally Posted by Ambaryerno Cheeky images don't change the fact that life is chock full of coincidences whatever your spiritual beliefs. You can personally believe in them or not, but now you're being a condescending schmuck
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	Quote: Originally Posted by Ambaryerno Quote: Originally Posted by DarthLego And you believe they stopped on 23 being the success completely by coincidence? Cheeky images don't change the fact that life is chock full of coincidences whatever your spiritual beliefs may say, because I sure as @#$% don't share them. If Kyle says it's a coincidence, it's a coincidence. I don't automatically assume someone is lying just to neatly force the world to fit my views.
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