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COLLECTOR kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user
Got my "newsie" copy today inside a box, inside another box, the seller is awesome. I have immediately created invoice 17-1219CA6 to send off for grading at CBCS. I have handwritten on the invoice "Please PRESS" for pressing service. Does that include cleaning, too?

Here's the pics!





























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Collector dpiercy private msg quote post Address this user
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COLLECTOR DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user
Pressing includes dry cleaning.

I'm calling it for a 9.4 after Steve pancakes it.
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COLLECTOR shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user
Id be surprised if it comes back sub-9 👌🏻
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COLLECTOR kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user
Can I request @SteveRicketts to press this one? The invoice is 17-1219CA6.

I paid a decent price for it. I cannot wait to see what a good pressing will do!

I also forgot to write on the invoice "Newstand Edition" under variant! Will they automatically notate that? The UPC barcode BA12 are SUPER RARE
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Collector Darkga private msg quote post Address this user
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Originally Posted by kaptainmyke
Can I request @SteveRicketts to press this one? The invoice is 17-1219CA6.

I paid a decent price for it. I cannot wait to see what a good pressing will do!

I also forgot to write on the invoice "Newstand Edition" under variant! Will they automatically notate that? The UPC barcode BA12 are SUPER RARE


I have one recently slabbed by CBCS, and it's not noted as a variant on the label.
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COLLECTOR shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user
Nobody (guides, graders) seems to recognise newsstands, yet they regurlarly go for more loot. What gives?
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COLLECTOR kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user
They should as it is next to impossible to find a newstand version in high grade. They came off the racks!
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Collector vacaboca private msg quote post Address this user
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The UPC barcode BA12 are SUPER RARE


Are they? I have three slabbed, I know at least one is the UPC version, now I need to pull them out...
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Collector Absolute_Zero private msg quote post Address this user
Oh wow nice pickup there @kaptainmyke. Steve can pancake anything lol but honestly looking like it will be anything above a 9.0
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COLLECTOR JWKyle private msg quote post Address this user
That Batman 457 second print newsstand I had graded I asked that they note it as a second print newsstand. It was noted as a second print but no newsstand edition.
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COLLECTOR shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user
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The UPC barcode BA12 are SUPER RARE


Are they? I have three slabbed, I know at least one is the UPC version, now I need to pull them out...


Rare in high grade especially. There are some of us that refuse to buy anything but barcodes from that era 😁. Most of the other stuff was hoarded and preserved too well to be rare.
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CBCS Pressing SteveRicketts private msg quote post Address this user
Yeah, send that to me. You won't recognize it when you get it back.
(In a good way.)
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Collector Watcher private msg quote post Address this user
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Collector vacaboca private msg quote post Address this user
Here are my three - 1 newsstand. It looks better than a 5.5, but has a stain on the upper right... hard to see, but pretty big. @SteveRicketts, I might send it to you at some point to see what you could do with it for fun. Click here for a higher-res image of the 5.5 - it shows the stain a lot better.




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COLLECTOR kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user
Stunning books, I love it! You can see a few color breaks on mine so that knocks it down for sure - I know pressing will hopefully fix all the wrinkles.
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Collector vacaboca private msg quote post Address this user
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Stunning books, I love it! You can see a few color breaks on mine so that knocks it down for sure - I know pressing will hopefully fix all the wrinkles.


No question that is going to press quite well!
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COLLECTOR DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user
I think the reason Newsstands are not noted is because 1) they are not really considered as being "variants" by the publishers, 2) they are easily identified visually.

And I think Steve is the only presser.
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COLLECTOR shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user
CBCS notes the blue vs purple covers on their label (they say "light&dark cover versions exist" ), but as far as I know that is the newsstand vs direct cover. Shouldnt it be labeled "newsstand blue cover" or "direct purple cover" or something like that?

Does anyone have a direct that has the blue cover?
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CBCS Pressing SteveRicketts private msg quote post Address this user
The single most time consuming thing for the grading room to do is researching comics to make sure they have the right book and entering the key comments into the fields. It's a very tedious job.

CBCS doesn't denote newsstand/direct versions because of the following reasons...
1) It's obvious if you're looking at the book. Sellers can sell it as a Newsstand copy, and buyers understand what that means.
2) It's taking the number of books in our database and multiplying it times two. That's twice as many books for the graders to keep up with.
3) It exponentially increases the chance that we will make a mistake on the label. Label errors cause wasted time and money. Label errors cause customers to send books back for reholders, causing more wasted time and money, and introducing unneeded frustration onto the customer.

When CBCS opened we put together a case study on this because, quite honestly, the graders thought it would be awesome. Once we got into the pros and cons, it was determined that it would prevent us from being able to be productive at the level we needed to be. Once the graders understood the level at which this would complicate their jobs, it was found to be an albatross.

To sum it up, newsstand would be cool for us to add, but it would ultimately result in increased prices and significantly increased turnaround times.
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COLLECTOR shrewbeer private msg quote post Address this user
@SteveRicketts putting it on the label doesn't make as much sense as the price guides including it someday. Nice to know you guys at least thought of it as well though.
It may be tedious,but please don't ever cut back on what you currently do, you guys are head and shoulders above the rest in that area and it's much appreciated!!
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Collector vacaboca private msg quote post Address this user
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Once we got into the pros and cons, it was determined that it would prevent us from being able to be productive at the level we needed to be.


I really appreciate the insight into the kind of processes and analysis you go through on these things - good stuff!
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COLLECTOR kaptainmyke private msg quote post Address this user
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Once we got into the pros and cons, it was determined that it would prevent us from being able to be productive at the level we needed to be.


I really appreciate the insight into the kind of processes and analysis you go through on these things - good stuff!


Me too I second that. Thanks for sharing that @SteveRicketts
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Collector TommyJasmin private msg quote post Address this user
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@SteveRicketts putting it on the label doesn't make as much sense as the price guides including it someday. Nice to know you guys at least thought of it as well though.
It may be tedious,but please don't ever cut back on what you currently do, you guys are head and shoulders above the rest in that area and it's much appreciated!!


Disagree Shrewbeer - if the price guides differentiate, the grading companies should differentiate and label the differences. Just saying it's obvious by looking at the book is a poor reason for not labeling something. If you follow this reasoning, why label the price variants? It's obvious
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Collector TommyJasmin private msg quote post Address this user
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The single most time consuming thing for the grading room to do is researching comics to make sure they have the right book and entering the key comments into the fields. It's a very tedious job.


Steve - I need to respectfully disagree with your points here. Researching the details of each submission... of course it can be tedious, but this is your job. This is what customers are paying you to do.

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CBCS doesn't denote newsstand/direct versions because of the following reasons...
1) It's obvious if you're looking at the book. Sellers can sell it as a Newsstand copy, and buyers understand what that means.


This is poor reasoning for not including information on a label. Would you not label a 35 cent price variant Star Wars 1 because it's obvious?

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2) It's taking the number of books in our database and multiplying it times two. That's twice as many books for the graders to keep up with.


The number of items in a database should be irrelevant. With any system, you should be able to quickly hone in on title and issue variants. If you can't, that's a flawed search and/or data model.

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3) It exponentially increases the chance that we will make a mistake on the label. Label errors cause wasted time and money. Label errors cause customers to send books back for reholders, causing more wasted time and money, and introducing unneeded frustration onto the customer.


Exponentially? No, absolutely not. Of course label errors are a pain and cost everyone time and money, but over time these should become infrequent.

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Originally Posted by SteveRicketts

When CBCS opened we put together a case study on this because, quite honestly, the graders thought it would be awesome. Once we got into the pros and cons, it was determined that it would prevent us from being able to be productive at the level we needed to be. Once the graders understood the level at which this would complicate their jobs, it was found to be an albatross.

To sum it up, newsstand would be cool for us to add, but it would ultimately result in increased prices and significantly increased turnaround times.


I'm not arguing the cost/benefit for you guys to start making this differentiation, if it's cost prohibitive, that is good enough reason and all you need to say, but your three points above are very flawed if based on the premise that making this differentiation is obvious to both buyer and seller. Never assume that. E.g. you can't expect either side to always remember which issues have which variants. A simple, quick glance at the CBCS label should remedy that.
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COLLECTOR DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user
A simple quick glance at the barcode should remedy that.
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Collector TommyJasmin private msg quote post Address this user
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A simple quick glance at the barcode should remedy that.


Huh, I didn't realize you could differentiate any variant from the bar code alone... Who needs labels!
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COLLECTOR DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user
You can differentiate Newsstand vs Direct by looking at the barcode. That is what the conversation was about, not variants.
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Collector TommyJasmin private msg quote post Address this user
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You can differentiate Newsstand vs Direct by looking at the barcode. That is what the conversation was about, not variants.


Not variants? So Newsstand vs. Direct is not a variant?
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