What do you think of the new CGC holder?234

Originally Posted by matterus023
Here is a personal favourite



Class action lawsuit anyone?

Originally Posted by Thorrodin
In regards to Ditch's video, several of the books in it as examples of wave damage are mine. I thought you would like more info. The books came back in the first iteration with severe Newton Rings on all - 47 books. I sent them back for re-holdering, so the second iteration they came back with most having reduced Newton rings, but some were even worse, but they were all nice and flat. Four weeks later, bam, waves on almost every one of them. The worst waves are on the ones with the least Newton rings, which validates Ditch's chart showing why this case is doomed to fail. You use a lot of pressure keeps it flat but you get Newton Rings and possible staple damage, flattened spine, etc....you use a little pressure and you get waves and a potentially loose comic. When using pressure (instead of an inner well) there is no middle ground that can be achieved on EVERY comic due to varying size, thickness, paper stock, pressure load, etc.....way too many variables that require human decision making on each case. I am not wasting my time sending these for them to have a third try as there is no way they can fix a design that is fundamentally flawed from a pure physics standpoint and that requires so much human decision making on how to assemble the case. Opening the case is tedious, time consuming and high risk which is another negative. I will NEVER BUY ANY books in the new cases until the Newton rings are ELIMINATED (or at least reduced to old case levels which was pretty limited) or that could exhibit waviness, even IF PRESSED (most books you buy in the new cases are most likely pressed nowadays anyway lol).

Originally Posted by Thorrodin
In regards to Ditch's video, several of the books in it as examples of wave damage are mine. I thought you would like more info. The books came back in the first iteration with severe Newton Rings on all - 47 books. I sent them back for re-holdering, so the second iteration they came back with most having reduced Newton rings, but some were even worse, but they were all nice and flat. Four weeks later, bam, waves on almost every one of them. The worst waves are on the ones with the least Newton rings, which validates Ditch's chart showing why this case is doomed to fail. You use a lot of pressure keeps it flat but you get Newton Rings and possible staple damage, flattened spine, etc....you use a little pressure and you get waves and a potentially loose comic. When using pressure (instead of an inner well) there is no middle ground that can be achieved on EVERY comic due to varying size, thickness, paper stock, pressure load, etc.....way too many variables that require human decision making on each case. I am not wasting my time sending these for them to have a third try as there is no way they can fix a design that is fundamentally flawed from a pure physics standpoint and that requires so much human decision making on how to assemble the case. Opening the case is tedious, time consuming and high risk which is another negative. I will NEVER BUY ANY books in the new cases until the Newton rings are ELIMINATED (or at least reduced to old case levels which was pretty limited) or that could exhibit waviness, even IF PRESSED (most books you buy in the new cases are most likely pressed nowadays anyway lol).

Originally Posted by stophmaster
I know pretty much how the forum members here feel about the new CGC holder, but I wonder what the general consensus amongst other collectors is? I'm on Instagram a lot, and I haven't seen any squawking about it there. Maybe it will take some time for the less knowledgeable to figure it out...? Anyone been to any cons lately and talked to any of the bigger dealers about their opinions on this subject?

Originally Posted by Studley_Dudley
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Originally Posted by stophmaster
I know pretty much how the forum members here feel about the new CGC holder, but I wonder what the general consensus amongst other collectors is? I'm on Instagram a lot, and I haven't seen any squawking about it there. I even posted a link to Ditch's YouTube video, with no response or discourse. I've asked some people who are proudly displaying their newly slabbed CGC books and no one seems to care or maybe know about these issues. Maybe it will take some time for the less knowledgeable to figure it out...? Anyone been to any cons lately and talked to any of the bigger dealers about their opinions on this subject?

I know that some of the same folks here are on the CGC boards, but the posters over there have been pretty vocal. I have seen a few more videos up in YouTube about the case. I've been even talked to shop owners who submit books on behalf of customers and they were baffled at it. As far as the overall collector market's thoughts on it, I'd be interested to know. Also, there are probably folks who aren't talking about it on the boards.

Originally Posted by Iago19
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Originally Posted by matterus023
Here is a personal favourite



Class action lawsuit anyone?

Oh my!! I'm definitely woozy.

Originally Posted by Marc_1
Several reasons.

1. The company making the Barex for the inner well went out of business. So they needed to do a redesign

2. The old case had problems with shaken comics so they wanted to fix that when they redesigned the holder

3. Because CBCS came out with a better holder and CGC needed to step up their game.

Unfortunately, they failed horribly.