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Collector HarRes private msg quote post Address this user
Hi all.

I have a beautiful copy of ASM #14 first appearance of Green Goblin. There is no chipping, the gloss is fantastic, and the colors are exceptional. However, it unfortunately has three holes punched on the left side of the book. It was clearly intentional, and my guess is that the previous owner filed it away in a binder for safe keeping, seeing that the rest of the comic is in such good shape.

How can a defect like this effect the grade of the book? I'm guessing that if it wasn't for the holes, it would be between and 7.0 and an 8.5

It also has a faint ink stamp on the cover that reads acquired in 1964. Could that mean anything?

Thanks,
Harrison
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COLLECTOR dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user
Binder holes are a pet peeve of mine.

That aside and without really seeing the book, I'd imagine it'd bring the book down to the 1.5-2.5 range. They're a pretty devastating flaw since they're essentially pieces missing from every single page.
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Collector HarRes private msg quote post Address this user
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Binder holes are a pet peeve of mine.

That aside and without really seeing the book, I'd imagine it'd bring the book down to the 1.5-2.5 range. They're a pretty devastating flaw since they're essentially pieces missing from every single page.


I understand that, but I would rather have a 2.5 copy that looks 8.5 than a 2.5 copy that looks 2.5.

Do you really think it'll bring it down that low? The holes are rather small.
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COLLECTOR earthshaker01 private msg quote post Address this user
Sell the comic, keep the binder.
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Collector KingNampa private msg quote post Address this user
In my opinion the book is incomplete and should get graded .5 via CBCS just like they would do if it was missing a page. The book is incomplete missing pieces on every single page. With that said, to own that comic for your collection or as reading copy would be great. But i wouldnt try to get it graded.
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COLLECTOR DarthLego private msg quote post Address this user
The things folks did to comics back in the day. SMH
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Collector Logan510 private msg quote post Address this user
You could always send it in and find out or call CBCS and ask to make certain.
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COLLECTOR dielinfinite private msg quote post Address this user
@HarRes
Maybe a little higher...



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Collector KingNampa private msg quote post Address this user
@dielinfinite Dear God! Who would do such a thing to a comic. 😣
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Collector HarRes private msg quote post Address this user
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In my opinion the book is incomplete and should get graded .5 via CBCS just like they would do if it was missing a page. The book is incomplete missing pieces on every single page. With that said, to own that comic for your collection or as reading copy would be great. But i wouldnt try to get it graded.


It isn't incomplete, it just has holes. The rest of the comic is perfect.
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Collector HarRes private msg quote post Address this user
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You could always send it in and find out or call CBCS and ask to make certain.


I bought it at a Con and brought it to the CBCS booth. It has been submitted
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In my opinion the book is incomplete and should get graded .5 via CBCS just like they would do if it was missing a page. The book is incomplete missing pieces on every single page. With that said, to own that comic for your collection or as reading copy would be great. But i wouldnt try to get it graded.


It isn't incomplete, it just has holes. The rest of the comic is perfect.


Hole/s and binder hole(s) each by definition make any book incomplete. Please tell me why each of these instances is NOT incomplete.
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In my opinion the book is incomplete and should get graded .5 via CBCS just like they would do if it was missing a page. The book is incomplete missing pieces on every single page. With that said, to own that comic for your collection or as reading copy would be great. But i wouldnt try to get it graded.


It isn't incomplete, it just has holes. The rest of the comic is perfect.


Hole/s and binder hole(s) each by definition make any book incomplete. Please tell me why each of these instances is NOT incomplete.


Because pages aren't missing
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In my opinion the book is incomplete and should get graded .5 via CBCS just like they would do if it was missing a page. The book is incomplete missing pieces on every single page. With that said, to own that comic for your collection or as reading copy would be great. But i wouldnt try to get it graded.


It isn't incomplete, it just has holes. The rest of the comic is perfect.


Just my opinion. But looks like from dielinfinite's example that CBCS will be more generous on the grade. CGC would probably give it a qualified grade though.

Just consider this. If a ad or value stamp is cut out it is considered incomplete right? Would the amount of missing book from the punched holes equal roughly the same surface area of a missing ad or value stamp? I think so.
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@dielinfinite Dear God! Who would do such a thing to a comic. 😣


I have seen, and owned, several books with this same hole-punched problem, front and/or back cover, all of which came from the New York area.
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@dielinfinite Dear God! Who would do such a thing to a comic. 😣


I have seen, and owned, several books with this same hole-punched problem, front and/or back cover, all of which came from the New York area.


That's interesting... I live in New York! But what does that have to do with anything?
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@dielinfinite Dear God! Who would do such a thing to a comic. 😣


I have seen, and owned, several books with this same hole-punched problem, front and/or back cover, all of which came from the New York area.


That's interesting... I live in New York! But what does that have to do with anything?


So after seeing the pics of the Sub-Mariner comic, what do you think that grade will be?
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Collector KingNampa private msg quote post Address this user
@HarRes Could we please see front and back of the asm #14?
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@dielinfinite Dear God! Who would do such a thing to a comic. 😣


I have seen, and owned, several books with this same hole-punched problem, front and/or back cover, all of which came from the New York area.


That's interesting... I live in New York! But what does that have to do with anything?


Just a coincidence, s'all.
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@HarRes Could we please see front and back of the asm #14?
rnrnI wish I could show you, but I don't have an image. I bought it at a con and handed it to CBCS
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@HarRes Could we please see front and back of the asm #14?


I wish I could show you, but I don't have an image. I bought it at a con and handed it to CGC


CBCS, rather. Sorry
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Collector KingNampa private msg quote post Address this user
@HarRes please update when you get it back with the grade, curious to see what they give it.
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@HarRes please update when you get it back with the grade, curious to see what they give it.


I will, but its not going to be for a while.
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Collector TruckJohnson private msg quote post Address this user
Yikes! If that "machine-gunned" Sub-Mariner can get a 3.0, I wonder what my Fantastic Four Golden Records with one hole would get?




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Yikes! If that "machine-gunned" Sub-Mariner can get a 3.0, I wonder what my Fantastic Four Golden Records with one hole would get?






Idk man. This thread is making me confused lol
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Collector KingNampa private msg quote post Address this user
@TruckJohnson i bet 3 likes it would grade as 7.0 🤓
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@TruckJohnson i bet 3 likes it would grade as 7.0 🤓


lol
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Collector KingNampa private msg quote post Address this user
Would you rather have a hole punched comic or marker scribbled on cover by child?
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Collector HarRes private msg quote post Address this user
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Would you rather have a hole punched comic or marker scribbled on cover by child?


hole punch.... easy
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Would you rather have a hole punched comic or marker scribbled on cover by child?


hole punch.... easy
even with all the holes punched in like that Sub Mariner? Maybe they will eventually recognize hole punches like tape and just ignore it when grading?? Lol
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